Hull built under Bureau Veritas Certification "Yacht/C ✠"

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Do you folks have an idea of what that implies exactly?
For the records, I spotted that on a mid 90s (pre-CE/RCD) vessel.
Thanks in advance!
 
Thanks P, that was an interesting reading, even if mostly aimed at selling BV services, so to speak.
I did find some other docs on the web in the meantime, including a rather technical one, called BV Rules for Yachts, with stability calculations etc.

But what's hard to understand (and is actually the only thing I might be interested in) is if at the end of the day there were any meaningful differences between BV certified boats and all others.
I mean, among the latest pre-CE years (mid 90s) I never came across a boat with a BV plate, with the only exception of this one that drew my attention recently - which is a Ferretti btw.
So, I'm now wondering if and how this "Yacht/C ✠" certification sets the boat aside from others...

One thing I understood from that brochure - and in this sense it was indeed useful - is that the "C" has nothing to see with the CE categories, but is instead related to the hull construction and simply means composite (S being for steel, A for alu, and W for wood).

Also, considering the builders cited as references in the brochure you linked (Benetti, Baglietto, Overmarine, CNB, Nautor, Ocea among others - btw, no UK builders?!?), I suppose a BV certification can't be a bad thing to have, but I'd love to understand a bit more... :)
 
Of the six or so classification societies the Brits tend to choose Lloyds when building to class. Probably historical reasons, obviously. Plenty of Italians have for years tended to choose BV and what's odd is that few IT builders choose RINA.
 
jfm said:
Of the six or so classification societies the Brits tend to choose Lloyds when building to class. Probably historical reasons, obviously. Plenty of Italians have for years tended to choose BV and what's odd is that few IT builders choose RINA.
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As far as I know! the main Brit builders tend to use RINA. Lloyds Register focus on commercial boats and shipping. BV has an "interesting" approach to certification.
 
rafiki_ said:
BV has an "interesting" approach to certification.
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Well, since according to the table below interesting means nonsense, you're making me wonder what else it can mean when used in brackets... :D
Jokes aside, I suppose what I should have asked is WHY build to class at all, and for a serial product like an average size Ferretti, when not even the RCD was applicable yet... :confused:
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I suspect that is for old Ferretti pre - 1997 1998.
As someone who registered ships for seven plus years all classes more or less offer the same service.
Some classes are where more stringent to others at the time. With Lloyds, Class NK, and ABS being known as the most stringent in my time in shipping.
I think Lloyds and RINA are most prepared for Charter aspects of like wise or MCA style code ethics nowadays, so that is why they get bulk of yachts especially sub 100 feet.

It is very important to understand that the C class cross of Malta was only made on design for those Ferretti's.
That means the Cross of Malta is not on the build. You could do it on build but would have costed much more.
It was still not an easy task to get this on the design and a surveyor at the time told me most known marques would have failed to do it.
By my understanding it was half of it a bureaucratic affair of papers showing you are building to a precise standard. But access to key areas of maintenance and hull inspection and repair was another important aspect.

For example Sunseeker had only a similar standard on the big 80 Predator and 80/84 Manhattan. Ferretti remarkbly did it on all its models even the small 42 feet 120 Fly.
Another Italian builder which got a similar class in the days was Raffaelli which got it from Nippon Kaiji Kyokai also in the 90s period.
 
There are two boaty RINA,s Uk - Royal Institute if Naval Architecture -easily confused with the Italian classification

RINA -based in Genoa

My boat came with a Italian RINA cert , its at the back of the owners handbook -Nice fancy certificate full of stamps and signatures including the builders Mario Amarti .

It was built as a charter boat for use in Italian waters .
Loads of idiosyncrasies -one example -metal covers for the port holes - presume to close in heavey weather in case of window smash ? (we don,t have curtains -just close these -keeps the light out too :)
Think this it ? -recent version
http://www.fin.fr/media/download/2020
 
Whitelighter said:
My ferretti has metal covers for all the portholes.
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I suppose that was either an option, or added afterwards.
I've seen several Ferrettis lately, but none with the storm shutters.
Btw, while googling around, I just noticed this plate in a YW ad for a Ferretti in the US, which is similar to the one I spotted.
Seralia was also built in the mid 90s, IIRC. Does she have a plate like that somewhere around the helm station?
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PowerYachtBlog said:
It is very important to understand that the C class cross of Malta was only made on design for those Ferretti's.
That means the Cross of Malta is not on the build. You could do it on build but would have costed much more.
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W, coming to think of it: the pic I just posted, taken from this YW ad, is related to a 1995 F165, and shows the specific hull number (11).
I didn't take a pic, but I'm pretty sure that also the similar plate I spotted on another boat was hull-specific.
Doesn't that, at least in theory, imply that the class is also on the build rather than just on design?
 
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MapisM said:
Well, since according to the table below interesting means nonsense, you're making me wonder what else it can mean when used in brackets... :D
Jokes aside, I suppose what I should have asked is WHY build to class at all, and for a serial product like an average size Ferretti, when not even the RCD was applicable yet... :confused:
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I will share some experiences over a glass or 2. My daughter is working near Lake Como, so we will come out to see her at some point, so would be great to share a bottle with you. ?
 
Here's another tele tale -dispersal of surface water in the cockpit -if it takes a wave = scuppers
You can see that hole below /behind the air i take.there is one on the other side too.Calculations have been done re size and water volume .
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Note no through the hull exit fittings -they all exit via manifolds above the W/L inside into exhaust boxes in the E room . Not sure that's a RINA thing or Amarti design ? If they fail boat will not sink !
All seacock "ins" like Geny , a/c as well as engines are all in one water tight compartment the engine room -which has audible and visual bilge alarms .
Jez if your cockpit door / step is shut ,how will water drain out if swamped ?
In the saloon there are drains in the floor -presumaby to deal with a wave coming over the top (cabin door open ) and swamping the saloon .
So just think anybody if with a door open say a side door on sq 65 ,78 etc in heavey weather-beam sea - ( door accidentally opens ) and a big wave deposited xyz cubic meters of water into you saloon -where would it go ? More importantly how fast can it find a bilge pump ?

Fire protection is pretty good too , 5 controls - from outside the E room
E shut off ( indipendant of keys and kill switch)
Tank cocks closed
Air vents closed
Extinguisher -set off
Bat isolation in the E room (I think ?)
+ much more seems to be focused on safety ,but discrete built in .
I guess most leisure boats have a few elements of the RINA spec .
 
Portofino said:
Here's another tele tale -dispersal of surface water in the cockpit -if it takes a wave = scuppers
You can see that hole below /behind the air i take.there is one on the other side too.Calculations have been done re size and water volume .
null_zpsniw4dcni.jpg

Note no through the hull exit fittings -they all exit via manifolds above the W/L inside into exhaust boxes in the E room . Not sure that's a RINA thing or Amarti design ? If they fail boat will not sink !
All seacock "ins" like Geny , a/c as well as engines are all in one water tight compartment the engine room -which has audible and visual bilge alarms .
Jez if your cockpit door / step is shut ,how will water drain out if swamped ?
In the saloon there are drains in the floor -presumaby to deal with a wave coming over the top (cabin door open ) and swamping the saloon .
So just think anybody if with a door open say a side door on sq 65 ,78 etc in heavey weather-beam sea - ( door accidentally opens ) and a big wave deposited xyz cubic meters of water into you saloon -where would it go ? More importantly how fast can it find a bilge pump ?

Fire protection is pretty good too , 5 controls - from outside the E room
E shut off ( indipendant of keys and kill switch)
Tank cocks closed
Air vents closed
Extinguisher -set off
Bat isolation in the E room (I think ?)
+ much more seems to be focused on safety ,but discrete built in .
I guess most leisure boats have a few elements of the RINA spec .
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There ain't much there you won't find on a sunprinfair et al, except the air vent closers which is a nice touch and many builders omit in standard spec ( I have specced it on all my fairs since 2004 but was option not standard) and also the nice sounding sea chest.
Modern sports cruisers don't need scuppers because they have open transoms which obviously drain much faster and safely than any scupper
I'm not sure about a side door accidentally opening on sq65/s78. Wave pressure forces it shut so a human would need to open it. Darwin perhaps then comes into play. In any case a beam wave big enough to get cubic metres through the door would have sunk any 42 about an hour previously. But it would drain through the patio door and out of the transom gates and scuppers, or go down to the cabins then instantly ( through very large plywood float-up hatches) the bilges and be pumped out. Not a stay awake issue, I gotta say!
 
I,ve no idea where RINA sits in any pecking order .Not given it any thought ,never mentioned in the buying process .
Just started to notice odd features which seem ,either a bother to put in ,or good sound engineering or what I thought , the designer /builder ,"knows best " it will be done like that for a reason ?
Not wasting brain cells trying to figure out why .
In the back of the hand book is the RINA cert .I also have of plans -opens out on a table with RINA stamps plastered all over .

Boat was initially used as a charter -water taxi Naples -Capri .

So I guess operator /skipper was trying to minimise chances of ending up sharing a cell with the skipper of Costa Concordia :)Re navigating IT maritime law ?
I think theres a whole lot more stuff regarding hull lay up build etc ,which one can not really see .

I don,t think to sign off it's retrofit able -designer -builder need to plan it all from stractch with RINA folks before ,even making the plug ?
Some bits can be added to none classified like fire system and indeed most builders will dip in and out .same applies to other codes I guess .

I,am in Antibes next week -annual lift out so will try to get a pic of RINA cert
 
MapisM said:
W, coming to think of it: the pic I just posted, taken from this YW ad, is related to a 1995 F165, and shows the specific hull number (11).
I didn't take a pic, but I'm pretty sure that also the similar plate I spotted on another boat was hull-specific.
Doesn't that, at least in theory, imply that the class is also on the build rather than just on design?
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I am sure Mapis it was just on the design, and technical aspect of it and all its detail.
Yes Ferretti would have to show that all is made to the design, but it is not a certification to build. I was told this directly by the horses mouth by the way in 1995.
Some of the custom Cantieri di Pisa, Sanlorenzo, Admiral where build to Cross of Malta with survey at the yard. I am speaking small sizes here minus 80 feet, but you always see it happening over seventy.

Just to clarify a Cross of Malta class (even on design) is more stringent to a standard BV yacht certification, RINA or anything for that matter.
 
learning something new everyday, so the annoying blanking alloy polished plates on my 10 portholes are storm shutters???
I thought it was a lousy attempt at skimping curtains at the cabins :p
and btw, they're a bitch to polish, but if you want to turn your cabin into a developing booth for b&w prints, they're perfect!

Versilcraft built in 76.

V.
 
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