How to properly break a ship.

[capnsensible]

Step one. Carelessly collide with one at anchor. Note if it's gonna be a gas carrier, it's less bang if its empty.

Step two. Run it on a beach.

Step three. Dwell a pause.......and hey presto! Broke.

Step four. Get maritime lawyers involved to argue about it for several decades in order that no one, ever, takes any kind of responsibility.

Don't think I've missed anything.

Hull breaks and crew evacuated from cargo ship OS 35

 

[capnsensible]

Looks like this is gonna be a long saga. Thee people I know in the business in Gib are already imagining the windfall that this latest carelessness will buy.

Hull 'crumpled' and crew evacuated from cargo ship OS 35

 

[Biggles Wader]

Step five would be when a gale arrives and the front falls off.
Given that Gib has become a major maritime hub it seems a bit short sighted that they dont have much in the way of facilities to deal with an incident like this. The report says the required kit is being sent from UK and will arrive on Sunday.

 

[ChromeDome]

Should be outsurced to really experienced companies with every aspect of inviromental and staff safety under control.

 

[capnsensible]

Step five would be when a gale arrives and the front falls off.
Given that Gib has become a major maritime hub it seems a bit short sighted that they dont have much in the way of facilities to deal with an incident like this. The report says the required kit is being sent from UK and will arrive on Sunday.

Yeah, British Territorial Waters....

Dutch salvage inspectors I read. The Port Authority does have the vessels and floating booms to contain oil spiils. Needed now and then for bunker operation spillages. One of which caused thousands of pounds worth of damage to boats in a Gib marina and an eco disaster. The culprit dragged it out for years and got away with it...

This latest incident is the third in the last ten years or so. All three caused by carelessness and one compounded by owners greed.

It's shocking when looking at credible sources like gcaptain how events like this are almost a daily occurrence.....

Accidents Archives

Death, injury, pollution, etc.

 

[capnsensible]

Another Suez accident, fortunately brief. Don't they maintain these ships properly?

Suez Canal briefly blocked again after another ship, Affinity V, becomes stuck

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Should be outsurced to really experienced companies with every aspect of inviromental and staff safety under control.

Now there's where you might pick up some teak or marine ply.?

 

[Kukri]

Let’s compare:

£ spent on construction & maintenance / frequency and severity of casualties

Time at sea / frequency and severity of casualties

£ spent on manning / frequency and severity of casualties

Time spent in repair and refit / frequency and severity of casualties

 

[Kukri]

Step one. Carelessly collide with one at anchor. Note if it's gonna be a gas carrier, it's less bang if its empty.

Step two. Run it on a beach.

Step three. Dwell a pause.......and hey presto! Broke.

Step four. Get maritime lawyers involved to argue about it for several decades in order that no one, ever, takes any kind of responsibility.

Don't think I've missed anything.

Hull breaks and crew evacuated from cargo ship OS 35

Well, we can’t expect the Royal Navy to understand these things, but you missed the cargo:

Gibraltar declares major incident as grounded bulk carrier develops a breach - Splash247

It makes a difference.

 

[capnsensible]

Old news. Cargo ship beached off Catalan Bay after collision

What weighs more, a ton of iron or a ton of feathers?

 

[Kukri]

Old news. Cargo ship beached off Catalan Bay after collision

What weighs more, a ton of iron or a ton of feathers?

Twice in my career I have had to explain the concepts of cargo, sheer force and bending moments, torsional moments and stowage to ex RN officers. Mind you, one of them was a very capable amateur ornithologist, who actually volunteered to work repeatedly on a small river ship in Papua New Guinea because he had only seen five of the six species of Birds of Paradise.

 

[Wansworth]

Twice in my career I have had to explain the concepts of cargo, sheer force and bending moments, torsional moments and stowage to ex RN officers. Mind you, one of them was a very capable amateur ornithologist, who actually volunteered to work repeatedly on a small river ship in Papua New Guinea because he had only seen five of the six species of Birds of Paradise.

Had a friend had to explain how concrete boats floated to an rn officer?

 

[mjcoon]

Twice in my career I have had to explain the concepts of cargo, sheer force and bending moments, torsional moments and stowage to ex RN officers. Mind you, one of them was a very capable amateur ornithologist, who actually volunteered to work repeatedly on a small river ship in Papua New Guinea because he had only seen five of the six species of Birds of Paradise.

I hope he was not hoping to collect a ton of bird of paradise feathers! (I'm struggling to connect the dots...)

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Another Suez accident, fortunately brief. Don't they maintain these ships properly?

Suez Canal briefly blocked again after another ship, Affinity V, becomes stuck

I’m told by a guy I sail XODs with from time to time that Suez incidents are not due to lack of maintenance, or crew incompetence/negligence, but due to modern ship design. Basically, they’re no longer powerful enough to keep their station in strong cross winds. A bit like trying to drive my boat with a Yam 2B instead of a Honda 15.

 

[capnsensible]

Seems in this case it was a steering gear failure.

When I transited Suez many tides ago as a very young chap on a Destroyer, we had two of us closed up in the tiller flat to operate emergency steering if any of the electric motors or hydraulic pumps failed. The heat under that steel deck was ferocious.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Seems in this case it was a steering gear failure.

When I transited Suez many tides ago as a very young chap on a Destroyer, we had two of us closed up in the tiller flat to operate emergency steering if any of the electric motors or hydraulic pumps failed. The heat under that steel deck was ferocious.

The RN gets laughed at by the merchant service for having too many men for any task. When the steering gear fails, it’ll be the RN doing the laughing. Gear often fails when too much is asked of it, of course. Like when engine power is inadequate to assist. My chum is qualified to skipper the largest LNG carriers. Strangely, he has no yacht ICC, which is hilarious on the occasions we cross the channel (not on the X obviousy!)

 

[capnsensible]

Sadly, oil is now leaking past the boom but efforts are being made to prevent a major spill.

Bunker operatios in Gib have been suspended. That must be a real pain for ship owners and agents.....and of course customers.

An individual has been arrested and is 'helping with enquiries'.

 

[Kukri]

Tradition requires that whenever the Andrew drop a brick, Captain Sensible trawls the Internet for a merchant ship casualty, and finds one. Since there were, when I last looked, 62,100 Convention ships (over 500gt, engaged in international trade) and the RN had 74, including tiddlers, all other things being equal there ought to be 840 times more merchant ship casualties than RN casualties.

I’m not going to rush to the defence of the Greek owners of this extremely marginal old banger, which is classed NK, carries market P&I and is wearing the ensign of Tuvalu. But steel bars are not kind to a ship.

 

[capnsensible]

Ratio seems about right for the near daily disasters.....

Go careful out there.

 

[penfold]

FoCs are a stain on shipping, enable criminality, destroy the environment and should be outlawed.