How to make a brand new Sanlorenzo 78 look small...

[PowerYachtBlog]

Just had a look at the internals not for me unless I was mistakenly looking at the crews quarters!

It is a custom build, and reflected an owners taste.
Having a look now and it is rather conservative, with striped pine wood and white leather bulkheads. I actually like it, hence why how we say here the bull meat is sold all

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

And what about the engineering!

I'm not going to get into a discussion about Italian engineering but after 30 odd years of owning a company selling machinery from Italy, Germany, Switzerland and France, lets just say I have a huge amount of respect for Italian engineering skills

 

[stelican]

+1 For the engineering.

 

[wakeup]

I'm not going to get into a discussion about Italian engineering but after 30 odd years of owning a company selling machinery from Italy, Germany, Switzerland and France, lets just say I have a huge amount of respect for Italian engineering skills

Mike, I'd love to hear a short summary of the differences that each bring if you wouldn't mind?

 

[MapisM]

Yup, I for one would also be curious to read it. Possibly throwing also the UK into the comparison... :encouragement:

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Mike, I'd love to hear a short summary of the differences that each bring if you wouldn't mind?

I'm not really qualified to make a learned comparison to be honest and in any case, I can only speak from my own personal experience in my industry and its as much about attitude as skills anyway. I have found Italian engineers far more willing to be creative and come up with bespoke solutions to customer needs than German engineers who are almost insulted if you dare suggest that their design could be improved. And the same goes when something goes wrong with their engineering. The Italian engineers are far more likely to hold their hands up and say OK we cocked up and we're going to put it right. On the other hand German engineers often simply refuse to believe that anything could have gone wrong with their engineering design and usually search for any other reason, often to a quite laughable extent. However what you usually get with German engineers is a project built to time and budget whereas with Italian engineers, time and budget are often, shall we say, flexible. Then it is fair to say that German machinery is often over engineered which of course is good but it often comes at a price which means it can only be sold to a certain section of the market. Italian engineers on the other hand seem to be better at engineering a product at a lower price which has a wider market appeal. I once asked a very good customer of ours why he bought our Italian machinery as opposed to our German competition. He said simply that he would love to buy the German machinery but he knew he could make money with our machinery. I must stress that I am talking only about my experience in my industry here and if you were to pick another industry, say cars, the comments would be very different

Btw I am talking about engineering here, not design or styling. Of course, if you wanted a fabulously styled boat, you'd never go to a German

I am not qualified to comment on British engineering because there is no British competition in my particular industry which perhaps is a metaphor for the lopsided nature of the UK economy. However this is a boating forum, and having owned a number of British boats as well as Italian ones, I have a huge amount of respect for both British and Italian boatbuilders. Entirely IMHO, I think the British builders have over the years produced slightly more seaworthy hulls but perhaps the Italian builders have the edge in terms of higher quality components and finish although I think this difference is less marked with newer boats. Whatever, the British and Italian boat builders are world leaders in the motorboat manufacturing industry and long may that continue

 

[wakeup]

Thanks Mike, that is really interesting summary of your experience. Do you lump the Swiss in with the Germans?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Thanks Mike, that is really interesting summary of your experience. Do you lump the Swiss in with the Germans?

Actually not really. We have dealt with a Swiss manufacturer for many years but parted company recently due to poor sales. The big problem for any Swiss exporter is the stupidly high value of the Swiss Franc which often makes their prices uncompetitive. The Swiss manufacturer we dealt with were only too aware of this and bent over backwards to make deals happen both in terms of engineering and commercial terms but in the end the prices were just too high. We have recently taken on an Italian manufacturer of similar products and their prices are around 2/3rds of the Swiss manufacturer's for a level of engineering which looks similar

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Entirely IMHO, I think the British builders have over the years produced slightly more seaworthy hulls but perhaps the Italian builders have the edge in terms of higher quality components and finish although I think this difference is less marked with newer boats. Whatever, the British and Italian boat builders are world leaders in the motorboat manufacturing industry and long may that continue

I will make a few notes here since if I am remembering well you have owned in the past both a Fairline 36 Turbo and Princess 435 which are among the best and most balanced hulls Bernard Olesinski and Fairline and Princess ever did. I think I would add the old Fairline 50 the old Princess 55 in that list and that is the top five of Olesinski best hulls.
Also I have to add, that the Bernard Olesinski hull shape of that era is much inspired to the David Napier Bertram designs which started in early seventies with the Bertram 46. and then arrived in the 54 in 1981. 54 is still considered by many as one of the best 16/17 meters Sportfish yachts ever build seakeeping wise.
It is also interesting to note that the Azimut you owned the 46 also featured a Bernard Olesinski design. The 46 was a streched AZ43.
Then after this you have owned three Ferrettis 46 (a bit under powered) 53 (a great boat and one of the best although its CoG is not as perfect as the usual Ferretti she is also a bit Napier inspired having a deeper Vee to the usual Ferrettis and came from the 150) and now the 630.
All very good boats. But if you ask me a simple question are they the best Italy ever did in sea keeping in that size. I would surely say no, without taking away nothing away from there capability.
Anyways I think one of Ferretts biggest advantage of seaworthiness has always been that most of the boats they produced plan at about 12 knots and that is very handy when the going gets a bit tougher then it should. It stabilizes the boat not by little.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I will make a few notes here since if I am remembering well you have owned in the past both a Fairline 36 Turbo and Princess 435 which are among the best and most balanced hulls Bernard Olesinski and Fairline and Princess ever did. I think I would add the old Fairline 50 the old Princess 55 in that list and that is the top five of Olesinski best hulls.
Also I have to add, that the Bernard Olesinski hull shape of that era is much inspired to the David Napier Bertram designs which started in early seventies with the Bertram 46. and then arrived in the 54 in 1981. 54 is still considered by many as one of the best 16/17 meters Sportfish yachts ever build seakeeping wise.
It is also interesting to note that the Azimut you owned the 46 also featured a Bernard Olesinski design. The 46 was a streched AZ43.
Then after this you have owned three Ferrettis 46 (a bit under powered) 53 (a great boat and one of the best although its CoG is not as perfect as the usual Ferretti she is also a bit Napier inspired having a deeper Vee to the usual Ferrettis and came from the 150) and now the 630.
All very good boats. But if you ask me a simple question are they the best Italy ever did in sea keeping in that size. I would surely say no, without taking away nothing away from there capability.
Anyways I think one of Ferretts biggest advantage of seaworthiness has always been that most of the boats they produced plan at about 12 knots and that is very handy when the going gets a bit tougher then it should. It stabilizes the boat not by little.

Well remembered but there are a few you've missed Yes agree with what you've said about Ferrettis. Length for length they are not the sharpest hulls out there. However what they are is heavy and well balanced which means they plough through heavy seas quite well. Also they are beamy which means they roll a bit less and, as you say, plane down to low speeds. Also it shouldnt be forgotten that they are Cat A CE rated so they are designed to look after you in marginal conditions

 

[MapisM]

Thanks Mike, that is really interesting summary of your experience.

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