How special is a Boat Show special?

TonyGerrard · 18 Sep 2003

Saw quite a nice 4 berth 32 footer with twin diesels and a pretty good spec (thruster, cockpit fridge etc. etc. - OK, so you can see what sort of a boater I'm going to be.....) from what I believe is thought to be a good builder. With a fair range of extras the price was £116k.
Best deal they could offer me yesterday was 5%.........I don't know much about margins in the boat business but 5% doesn't get me excited. Am I being unrealistic?
Wasn't planning to buy new, and also aimed to get closer to 38' but the idea of new equipment complete with warranties may be worth thinking about.......
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hlb · 18 Sep 2003

Most folk that buy new report that it's alot more hastle than pre owned. Second hand I mean. For £100 you can get a far more capable s/h boat, with little depreciation. I would not entertain a new one.

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Haydn

gonfishing · 18 Sep 2003

I totally agree with you Haydn, after hearing all the problems from owners of new boats hear in Swansea,(fairline /princess/rodman etc) it is appalling. So if camelot were to shine on me, i would not by new, let someone else take the hit , and sort out all the problems, so i would go for something 18months to 30months old. I know of instances where it has taken the main dealer over 12months to sort out problems!!!! Glad they don't make cars!!!

julian

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ccscott49 · 18 Sep 2003

......plus you get a bunch more gear (fenders, warps etc) with a secondhand boat, which costs thousands when you buy new.

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boatone · 18 Sep 2003

Doesnt matter whether you buy new or secondhand, you still get problems, either original or inherited.......and dont think problems always get identified by first owner, its amazing what lurks behind trim panels that may never be revealed until summat goes wrong - see my recent post re mild steel worm clips on skin fittings.
Do agree that secondhand much better economic proposition though...think I'd only buy new if money no object/won lottery and even then the thrifty bit in me would probably prevail/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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ccscott49 · 18 Sep 2003

Were those hose clips from the new boat? Unusual for the dutch, mind you they are cheaper!!

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mjf · 18 Sep 2003

Hi

I think it is difficult to generalise on this issue.

My research showed that some makes / models appear to cost the 2nd hand buyer roughly what the orginal owner spent in the first place. Ordering a new build with forward delv. has advantages of engine, general spec , interior fabrics etc and good G'tee. In my case I found it cost me roughly what a 1/2yr old model would fetch to have a 'new' 2003 boat - at the time used models where like hens teeth anyway so there was little choice.....

I would advise to look at what you want 2nd hand and compare your cost vs. new and again compare with the orginal owners invoice which will be available via the seller or broker.

The issue of trade-in clouds all this so I assume you have sold / will sell your previous boat already?

Michael

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BlueSkyNick · 18 Sep 2003

"For £100 you can get a far more capable s/h boat, with little depreciation"

Don't get much boat for this sort of money, but agree about little depreciation.

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longjohnsilver · 18 Sep 2003

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BlueSkyNick · 18 Sep 2003

I think you'll find I was taking the p*** !

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TwoStroke · 18 Sep 2003

BMB were offering 10% discount on their show boat rather than the 5% normal - similar with Sealine & Four Winns if memory serves correct - although was looking at half that amount. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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hlb · 18 Sep 2003

I'd much rather spend my £100 on a ten year old boat. There equally as reliable as new, depends which one is looked after best. There might be a bit more maintainance cost. But a 35/6 Ft plus boat is a serious cruising boat. 32ft is dodgy.

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Haydn

Will_M · 18 Sep 2003

One for all you Volvo Penta outdrive driven boats..... The VP dealer running the parts store on the Volvo Penta stand at SIBS are doing a deal on all A and B series alu DP propeller sets.

rrp £504 inc vat

price offer £350 inc vat

I think they are carrying the offer on until end of October and I believe they will do a simular sort of deal on all the other types of props.

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longjohnsilver · 18 Sep 2003

32\' = Dodgy!!

Cheeky bastard!!

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hlb · 18 Sep 2003

Re: 32\' = Dodgy!!

Ah but. Yours is a displacement boat. Different thing. But thats not the point. If you had £100 to spend, would you buy a little titchy 32ft or a nice big P35..../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif Err! Well, you know what I mean!!

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Haydn

duncan · 18 Sep 2003

I think Steel developments were also doing that 'deal' in their adverts but it's now POA............and another advert in MBY has them at 338+ vat inc delivery.
reality in VP spares - whatever next!

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oldgit · 18 Sep 2003

Re: New vs Used.

Be very interested to know which second hand models cost as much as their new counterparts.Esp with nearly 20% of the new boat being VAT.
An example would be most helpful.

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TonyGerrard · 18 Sep 2003

Re: New vs Used.

This is a storyline I've heard several times before. Along similar lines, I do know of dealer/distributors who will give you back what you paid for the boat if and when you trade up to a bigger model in the range. First time I came across this was at Rinkers in Sovereign Harbour and I was sceptical - however, I have also heard of this same principle being applied at Peter's so I guess there's some truth in it.
Spend freely!!

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hlb · 18 Sep 2003

Re: New vs Used.

Well course they will. You get a few grand more off the builder if you buy a bigger one. Trouble is, a bigger one is heaps more money than a squidgy one. So they give you an extra couple of grand, then take a hundred or two off you. Where as if you sold it private, you would get a few grand less. But then ask builder for 10% discount. Maybe 25 grand. Now if you have there extra special HP finance, they will get maybe another 10% comision as well. So there quids in. Like taking candy off babys!!

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Haydn

byron · 18 Sep 2003

I'm a 2nd hand freako. Only had a new boat once, never again. By the time I got it right it was time to move on. Not long sold my 10 year old 435 and the new owner is well pleased. A well kept boat with all the extras can be better than new and a dang sight cheaper.

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