How much.......

22' long keel sloop price (new build)

  • £20000-24999

    Votes: 13 23.6%

  • £25000-29999

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • £30000-34999

    Votes: 12 21.8%

  • £35000-39999

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • £40000-44999

    Votes: 5 9.1%

  • £45000-49999

    Votes: 4 7.3%

  • >£50k

    Votes: 7 12.7%
  • Total voters
    55
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...... would you pay for a new 22' long keeler sloop (incl. VAT, but excl. trailer or instruments)?

No cheating with Mr Google, just interested to see what folk might think the 'market' price would be...
 
How much I'd pay and what the market price is, are separated by a factor of 5 or 10 I suspect. £2k-£5k for a second hand one. A new dinghy (Wayfarer type) is over £15k I think, so putting a lid on top and a mud anchor underneath probably doubles that!
 
Evadne said:
How much I'd pay and what the market price is, are separated by a factor of 5 or 10 I suspect.
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For me it is a much greater factor. In fact, I don't think I'd pay anything to have a long-keel 22 foot boat. I wouldn't have one, personally.
 
Twister_Ken said:
That'll be the Yarmouth 22 then.
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TK is right in terms of boat... and an interesting spread of market values so far. I'll keep the poll going a bit... but please don't Google the answer or let on just yet, it'll be interesting to get an average value that folk think it's worth first without prior hints.

 
Boomshanka said:
TK is right in terms of boat... and an interesting spread of market values so far. I'll keep the poll going a bit... but please don't Google the answer or let on just yet, it'll be interesting to get an average value that folk think it's worth first without prior hints.

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Ah, that is a very different kettle of fish.

The Rustler 24 is an open day boat but it is still a long keel sloop.

You are talking about a mini cruising boat with electrics, gas etc.

Definitely over 50k fully specified, new including VAT, although these are tough times and I dare say they may offer you some sort of show special if they are going to be at SIBS.
 
ValleyForge said:
I shall dip into Reeds & write out the dutch flag colours 50 times before lights out.
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I'm told that part of the Dutch self-image (in the same way Brits in general like to consider themselves fair and tolerant) is that they are very thrifty, spending their money carefully. Thus the way to remember the difference between French and Dutch is that the Dutch flag remains the same even as the worn outer edge is trimmed back to save buying a new one.

Pete
 
Is the question how much would you pay? or what is the market asking? Two very different answers.

A club member here has a Yarmouth 23, the very slightly larger gaff rigged cutter and I think it's a lovely boat, nicer looking than the 22 and loads of accomodation for the size of boat. I got to sail in her last week.
 
In 2006 I got together with the ex-M.D. of Anderson Rigden & Perkins, Patrick has the production moulds and we were serious about making new boats, there's quite a demand; but it might be different when people are asked to stump up their money.

When we did the sums a new boat came to £48,000 cost price with zero profit !

Thankfully we declined, just before the recession. :eek:

I have no idea how modern British builders of new boats make it all add up, but I wish them the best of luck.

One thing I've noticed is that very few people nowadays are willing to work on and fit out boats; this is a huge shame, as a lot of good boats ( not just Andersons ) are going for really cheap prices.

At one time years ago I recognised a famous Anderson moored in Cowes which had raced across the Atlantic; the owner had picked her up for peanuts at an auction as the berthing fees were unpaid, and had no idea of her history, " I did wonder about the 'Transatlantic' plaque" !

That boat is now restored to race condition and has changed hands for a lot of money.
 
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This has been discussed before with Seajet and the Anderson 22. in the sense that building a new one would be so expensive compared to the raft of second hand boats on the market , that the builder would be brave. (plus the RCD)
The market for 'Spirit' style open elegant dayboats attracts enough people with money to keep a couple of builders busy near here. Latitude 46 and Roy make lovely boats with stunning finishes. But Not Cheap.
DW

I liked the Yarmouth 23, the 22 less so.

Edit. SJ beat me to it....
 
prv said:
I'm told that part of the Dutch self-image (in the same way Brits in general like to consider themselves fair and tolerant) is that they are very thrifty, spending their money carefully. Thus the way to remember the difference between French and Dutch is that the Dutch flag remains the same even as the worn outer edge is trimmed back to save buying a new one.

Pete
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The Dutch flag has horizontal strips. Easy to remember as all of Holland is flat!
The French flag has vertical stripes. Easy to remember as (fill in your own words here!).
 
So, in a very unscientific poll (riddled with ambiguities and a poorly worded question - best get that in up front:D)... 60% stated they would pay less than £35k, with a quarter saying they would pay less than £25k for a new build 22' long keeled sloop...

Well.... the Yarmouth 22 retails at £45,990 as a base model... the boat show model (that is on on offer second hand after the show) would retail new at £50,297 - it's not clear if that comes with instruments or trailer:eek:

The website quotes "The benefits of low cost, high quality, Sri Lanka GRP production allow us to offer these superb pocket cruisers at very attractive prices."... so it's not even made in the UK for that price.

I know it's not comparing like with like... but the Elan 210 (similar LOA, with an inboard outboard if you know what I mean) retails at about £30k all in, and less for the First 21.7.

I like the look of the Yarmouth 22, and the travels of the Yarmouth 23 are really impressive... but come on, for that price it just doesn't stack up does it? (in my view - I'm sure others have a different view).

Just looking at the options makes for interesting reading... £320 for a sink:eek:
 
Surely this is a fatuous exercise.

Here is a simple analogy. And I shall use a sink.

A sink is to wash your hands in. You can make one out of an old bucket, carbon fibre, titanium or a whole load of other stuff.

Which one is right for you?

That depends on your personal preferences and criteria.

Price?
Resale value?
Pose value?
Longevity?
Ease of maintenance?
Cost of maintenance?

The cost something is offered for sale at will be a compromise between what it cost to make and how much the manufacturer thinks he can get was with.

Low production run boats like the Yarmouth will always seem to be a little more expensive than something more mass produced.

However, some people have a dislike of anything mass produced so will pay more for the unique or customised, or rare.

And here is another dumb analogy. If you had asked "How much for a four seat car?" you could have had answers from a few thousand to a few hundred thousand. Both will get you to the local shops in a few minutes, so why complain that the Bugatti costs more than the Skoda?
 
One of the magazines took a similar look at, if I recall correctly, 47 foot boats and asked whether one of the Swedish marques was really worth twice as much as a Beneteau.

I don't recall their conclusion, but it really comes down to what people are willing to pay.

Not many are willing to pay >£40,000 for a 20-something footer. But some apparently are.
 
Ex-SolentBoy said:
The Dutch flag has horizontal strips. Easy to remember as all of Holland is flat!
The French flag has vertical stripes. Easy to remember as (fill in your own words here!).
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Soon after I joined the RN I was told that the difference between Dutch and French flags is easy to remember. The stripes on the French flags are vertical because French flags are always run down.
 
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