How much should a scrape and antifoul cost?

[BobMod]

All

I need a little advice please.. I have been quoted an exorbitant sum to scrape back, wash, degrease, key, prime and 4 - 5 coats of antifoul on my Fjord 880. She is only 28ft long and I could buy a nice car for the sum I have been quoted to do this. I wish I had the time to do it myself but sadly I work away from home all week and only getting back at weekends so I spend time with my kids. Can anyone give me an idea of what I should expect to pay?

Thanks as always for any advice and guidance...

 

[rafiki_]

My 40 footer was a/f'd for £350. Lift and scrape should be about £300-£400, depends where you are.

 

[Divemaster1]

Not knowing about local factors etc., I'd expect something like;

Liftout & Scrub - £200
Hard-stand storage ??
Someone to physically scrape the hull back to gelcoat must take 2 - 4 man days : £2 - 300 /day .... if not more as they would be wearing full PPE (do they have to dispose of old anti-foul?? if so you have waste disposal to consider...)
Then repair damages, key + prime, one day @ £2 - 300 /day
1 day to apply two coats (why do more) of anti-fouling @ £2 - 300 / day
Reduced cost for lift in @ £150 ?
Then there is the cost of the PPE, material and tools ... at a rough guess at £4 - 600

Soon builds up to a few thousand ....

 

[gjgm]

All

I need a little advice please.. I have been quoted an exorbitant sum to scrape back, wash, degrease, key, prime and 4 - 5 coats of antifoul on my Fjord 880. She is only 28ft long and I could buy a nice car for the sum I have been quoted to do this. I wish I had the time to do it myself but sadly I work away from home all week and only getting back at weekends so I spend time with my kids. Can anyone give me an idea of what I should expect to pay?

Thanks as always for any advice and guidance...

5 coats of a/f ?? What is wrong with one or two?

 

[omega2]

Get it out first and power washed, inspect hull, if has been done before then just over coat it with new, Sea queen is a good one for Essex. If never done before then prime and then anti foul, 2 coats max, your extra 3 will be no use whatsoever.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?274307-Jotun-Sea-Queen-Antifoul/page2

 

[gjgm]

My 40 footer was a/f'd for £350. Lift and scrape should be about £300-£400, depends where you are.

Blimey.. what a/f were they using...2 coats of Trilux on 40ft must be £350 to start with.. do they work for free?

 

[volvopaul]

My 40 footer was a/f'd for £350. Lift and scrape should be about £300-£400, depends where you are.

Believe me you wouldn't want to scrape a boat that size, you would not get anyone to scrape it for that amount of money, sand it back and then antifoul it.

I had my 41ft princess sand blasted this year, £550 plus vat by symblast, then it had to be sanded, the pin holes filled , de greased and pressure washed, then two coats of gelshielded, then two coats of antifoul. I did most it myself with Richard comben supervising me, normally he said this would have been around 3k with labour for this kind of job.

 

[Tranona]

All

I need a little advice please.. I have been quoted an exorbitant sum to scrape back, wash, degrease, key, prime and 4 - 5 coats of antifoul on my Fjord 880. She is only 28ft long and I could buy a nice car for the sum I have been quoted to do this. I wish I had the time to do it myself but sadly I work away from home all week and only getting back at weekends so I spend time with my kids. Can anyone give me an idea of what I should expect to pay?

Thanks as always for any advice and guidance...

All heavy labour costs. Why do you think it needs all that work? If you are going down that route then consider having the hull blasted, epoxy coated and antifoul - or even Coppercoat if you are keeping the boat. Whatever you do, if you pay somebody to do that amount of work the bill will be in the £000's!

Pressure washed and new antifouling is probably going to be around £600, depending on the price of the lifts, but a day's work if you do it yourself.

 

[EwanClark]

To take off all the old anti-foul so that you are back to bare gel-coat and give you a clean start will cost around £600. If you then go the traditional route of one coat of primer and two coats of conventional anti-foul, the product cost would be about £300. If you opted for Coppercoat instead, the product cost would be a bit more, but definitely under £600. Whichever of these options you chose, the labour cost for application should be similar, as it amounts to about a full days work for one person. Costs for minor incidentals such as tape, rollers and so on should also be similar no matter what a-f is chosen.

If the boat has any minor hull damage currently hidden by the layer of old a-f, you may have some extra costs of some epoxy filling/fairing. But it would be worth doing this while the opportunity presented itself.

This guide is only approximate and doesn't include yard fees such as lifts or storage (but they will be the same whether you chose a conventional anti-foul or Coppercoat).

As can be seen, the additional cost to upgrade to a multi-season anti-foul such as Coppercoat (over and above the cost of a conventional, annual scheme) is therefore not actually that great. So for this particular boat, it would cost less than an additional £300 to have a system that should last about 10 years over a system that is designed to last for just one or two.

 

[BobMod]

All

Thanks guys.. Great feedback... Okay, she has been out of the water over a year and is the driest she will ever be.. I pressure washed her when she came out of the Thames and she just had a light film of algae on her.. She has small patches of missing antifoul down to the gelcoat in places but otherwise it is just very uneven.. Can you just sand down lightly and re-antifoul? If I can, that is probably the route I would go as I have the £000's for this year dedicated to full engine services, fuel system drain, clean and check, new hood and new chart plotter/echo sounder and just filling her up with fuel.. ... The boat was epoxy coated a number of years ago and the antifoul is quite loose....

Tough choices..

 

[rafiki_]

Blimey.. what a/f were they using...2 coats of Trilux on 40ft must be £350 to start with.. do they work for free?

Scraped the barnacles off, then 2 coats of Hempel, £350. Did not need to take the old a/f off, and I woulod doubt that the O/P would need to either. The O/P just needs to ensure he has a stable base for 2 new coats. he can probably do the scraping himself. Not the most pleasant of jobs, but his boat has been out of the water for a year, so peobably just a matter of taking off any fkaing area's.

 

[Sheppy]

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Thanks guys.. Great feedback... Okay, she has been out of the water over a year and is the driest she will ever be.. I pressure washed her when she came out of the Thames and she just had a light film of algae on her.. She has small patches of missing antifoul down to the gelcoat in places but otherwise it is just very uneven.. Can you just sand down lightly and re-antifoul? If I can, that is probably the route I would go as I have the £000's for this year dedicated to full engine services, fuel system drain, clean and check, new hood and new chart plotter/echo sounder and just filling her up with fuel.. ... The boat was epoxy coated a number of years ago and the antifoul is quite loose....

Tough choices..

I guess it depends on how far you want to go with the hull. Also maybe how concerned you are about obtaining the best possible speed?
I would suggest a high powered jet wash to remove as many of the loose bits as possible. Once done, use a scraper to clean off any extra bits you can around the sections that the jet wash has already removed. Sand the areas where the existing paint meets the hull, to aid more removal but mainly to smooth off the ridges. Prime the bare areas of gel coat along with the more tatty areas of the old antifoul, then pain the entire hull with just two coats of fresh antifoul paint. You can do more, obviously, but that's a bit of a lazy but efficiency re-antifoul for minimal cost. I've just done my 25 and it took just one weekend in total time, over about one week. There are a few considerations, such as making sure the hull is dry, clean and free from any dust particles before priming and antifouling etc etc. If you want a mega job then perhaps look at slurry or soda blasting off the paint, but hey, it's probably not worth the effort and cost. But it is something worth doing every few years, so maybe next year when you have more time? My children came to the yard and although I didn't get them to help, they had fun just looking around and playing game etc etc.

 

[BobMod]

Sheppy

Thanks mate.. Mine are 1 and 2 and the yard is full of things that bite at head and face height like props, angle iron, jagged peices of all sorts etc.. I will certainly ask whoever is gonna do it if they will do as you just said.. It only needs to last until next year then I will have the funds to do it properly..

 

[tamarind]

Believe me you wouldn't want to scrape a boat that size, you would not get anyone to scrape it for that amount of money, sand it back and then antifoul it.

I had my 41ft princess sand blasted this year, £550 plus vat by symblast, then it had to be sanded, the pin holes filled , de greased and pressure washed, then two coats of gelshielded, then two coats of antifoul. I did most it myself with Richard comben supervising me, normally he said this would have been around 3k with labour for this kind of job.

I've scrapped larger boats than that! Comben doesn't know what he's talking about!!

 

[carlton]

...Sand the areas where the existing paint meets the hull...

...and ensure you're wearing a mask when you do!

 

[EugeneR]

To take off all the old anti-foul so that you are back to bare gel-coat and give you a clean start will cost around £600. If you then go the traditional route of one coat of primer and two coats of conventional anti-foul, the product cost would be about £300. If you opted for Coppercoat instead, the product cost would be a bit more, but definitely under £600. Whichever of these options you chose, the labour cost for application should be similar, as it amounts to about a full days work for one person. Costs for minor incidentals such as tape, rollers and so on should also be similar no matter what a-f is chosen.

So, assuming boat already on the hard, it's £1200 plus a day's labour to apply copper coat to a boat that size?

If so, where can I sign?

 

[EwanClark]

So, assuming boat already on the hard, it's £1200 plus a day's labour to apply copper coat to a boat that size?

If so, where can I sign?

In the Hamble area you'd certainly get a very competitive quote from ARC of Drivers Wharf (known as "Elesar" on this forum). Tel 0800 848 8848. But there are numerous other boat painting companies in the area that you could try.

And we are planning a Special Offer for the Southampton Boat Show, so if you were to see us there and arrange the purchase of the Coppercoat direct, you would keep the product cost element to a minimum also.