How much does stem and wood planking replacement cost?

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I've had a survey on an 30 year old 18m boat , there are many things needed; as it's Christmas, some parts of the survey are outstanding. I have been tied up and now I am waiting to talk to the surveyor.

My question is, how much will these two things cost to have professionally repaired. Just looking for ballpark figures.

- Stem replacement

- Woodplanking on the hull in many places, but 7 larger places totalling 13.5sqm

(I'll give you the whole story once it's over if that's OK, but let me know if you need more info, to have an idea of costs for these points.)
 
Depends very much on the timber species, fastening material and method.

But an area of planking 1 mtr high 13.5 mtrs long on a 18m boat sounds alarm bells to me (and when it comes to wooden boat my specs have a very dark rose tint)

Rot on the centreline, such as the stem, can tend to be fairly complex, that means time consuming, which means costly, plus, likelyhood of finding other stuff needing attention
 
Tender_aft said:
I've had a survey on an 30 year old 18m boat , there are many things needed; as it's Christmas, some parts of the survey are outstanding. I have been tied up and now I am waiting to talk to the surveyor.

My question is, how much will these two things cost to have professionally repaired. Just looking for ballpark figures.

- Stem replacement

- Woodplanking on the hull in many places, but 7 larger places totalling 13.5sqm

(I'll give you the whole story once it's over if that's OK, but let me know if you need more info, to have an idea of costs for these points.)
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Have a word with Vas off the Mitos refurb, as there is not much about replacement wood that he is not familiar with.
 
I am actually wanting to know how much a professional would charge (anywhere in the Med).
- to replace a stem on an 18m boat
- per sqm of planking/ply

I just need to know the range from perfect to a good solid job (but you wouldn't necessarily want to leave it bare to show to the world). It's for the purchase negotiation. I want to be reasonable with the vendor.

I'm fully aware of the mammoth effort Vas has been making
 
Tender_aft said:
I am actually wanting to know how much a professional would charge (anywhere in the Med).
- to replace a stem on an 18m boat
- per sqm of planking/ply

I just need to know the range from perfect to a good solid job (but you wouldn't necessarily want to leave it bare to show to the world). It's for the purchase negotiation. I want to be reasonable with the vendor.

I'm fully aware of the mammoth effort Vas has been making
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My point is that Vas knows what is possible, and how long it takes a pro (George) to do. You then need to factor in the local rate per hour for a craftsman, and you can work out an approx cost, and whether it is worth the trip?
 
sorry, just saw the PM.

Paul, what Ben says really :)
there's no way you got to replace 17sqm of hull material and not having to work on top i.e. where the water was coming in the first place in order to create the damage!
So hidden problems would have to be tackled, possibly massive work to redo decks, remove rot and replace all sorts of pieces above the rotten hull, not nice. Scroll through the thread of MiToS and do your estimates/guesses on what may need to be done.
I'm afraid I'd recommend you walk away and I'm sure Ben with his rose tinted glasses would suggest the same unless you can put asside 3X the cost of the purchase and considering you don't pay more than 40K for her. And I'm probably very optimistic :(
Again unless we see pics (not only of the affected hull area, but lining, upholstery and generally underneath the decks) and learn about the history of repairs on said craft we are just speculating.

Paul,
why not have another look at this Trader? Plastic fantastic, will give you relaxing vacation time and not endless headaches!

cheers

V.
 
vas said:
sorry, just saw the PM.

Paul, what Ben says really :)
there's no way you got to replace 17sqm of hull material and not having to work on top i.e. where the water was coming in the first place in order to create the damage!
So hidden problems would have to be tackled, possibly massive work to redo decks, remove rot and replace all sorts of pieces above the rotten hull, not nice. Scroll through the thread of MiToS and do your estimates/guesses on what may need to be done.
I'm afraid I'd recommend you walk away and I'm sure Ben with his rose tinted glasses would suggest the same unless you can put asside 3X the cost of the purchase and considering you don't pay more than 40K for her. And I'm probably very optimistic :(
Again unless we see pics (not only of the affected hull area, but lining, upholstery and generally underneath the decks) and learn about the history of repairs on said craft we are just speculating.

Paul,
why not have another look at this Trader? Plastic fantastic, will give you relaxing vacation time and not endless headaches!

cheers

V.
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Thanks Vas. Food for thought.
 
Tender_aft said:
I just need to know the range from perfect to a good solid job
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I fully agree with everything burgundyben said. Consequently, it would be sensible to refrain from any guesswork.
But since a) I'm not sensible, otherwise I wouldn't have kept afloat a timber boat for many years :D, and b) as I understand you are just looking for a very rough ballpark number, my guesspectation is that you could be asked something in the 40 to 50 grands region, for replacing 13 sqm of hull planks.
Otoh, replacing the whole stem is something I never heard to be required, even in (relatively) old boats. So, I have zero clue.
Not sure it's even worth the hassle actually, also because of other structural parts possibly involved.
Unless the vessel is really special/historical/whatever....
Best of luck anyway, and keep us posted!
 
vas said:
put asside 3X the cost of the purchase and considering you don't pay more than 40K for her. And I'm probably very optimistic :(
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Doh! I wrote my previous post before reading Vas estimate.
Goes to show, very effectively, how much you can trust any guesswork on this type of works.... :ambivalence:
 
MapisM said:
Doh! I wrote my previous post before reading Vas estimate.
Goes to show, very effectively, how much you can trust any guesswork on this type of works.... :ambivalence:
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I've got the surveyors estimate now too and it was €36k just for the work I stated above, not for what you might discover afterwards.

Thanks for all of the answers, it all goes into the decision making process. :)
 
If its a plywood boat I wouldn't be so worried about the 'planking'.

The stem is more cause for concern.

Any wooden boat needing 36k to fix it up as an initial estimate should be considered with great caution.

From what I hear of the negotiation for a wooden boat, opening offer in the region of 50% of the asking price.
 
The wooden boats from one particular builder I have in mind are typically selling for half the advertised price, its not made up, its fact, based on several sales that I have seen go through.

I would be surprised if there are many wooden boat sales going through within 10% of the asking, much more likely to be within 50% to 25% haggled off.
 
Tender_aft said:
I've got the surveyors estimate now too and it was €36k just for the work I stated above, not for what you might discover afterwards.
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Do you mean for replacing 13 sqm of hull planks AND the whole stem?
No matter the type of construction, wood, etc., "optimistic" doesn't begin to describe that estimate, imho.
 
Tender_aft said:
(anywhere in the Med).
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that "anywhere" might be a tricky one,

despite the fact that I know a yard specialised in wooden boats in SOF
after having had experience with them, I don't think would chosse them for this kind of work
furthermore, I don't think you would find any "good" yard at a reasonable price in that area.
In Italy this might be much better,
I don't know for other area's, but I can imagine in some MED area's you can hardly find any competent craftsmen.

is the boat stil afloat/moveable ?
 
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