How many rudders must a young man have?

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What would you say if you'd just had a new rudder fitted professionally and found cables bolted onto qauadrant with washer non locking bolt, locking bolt but with none of the locking nylon on the screw .. instead of washer and locking bolt. You could'nt get emergency tiller on due to large lump of eopxy slapped on to hold pin for emergency tiller in place. And when you got that off you found hole quite a bit larger than the pin .. and the emergency tiller did'nt fit due to the hole placement being so much off centre ..

The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind..

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I think I'd be a bit cross. And by now, I think I'd be wanting my dealer to do something about appeasing me. Do I need any spinnaker gear, for example?

Time to blow your top Jimi.

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OK Robert Tillerman blah blah Leopardskin Pillbox Hat blah blah Hard Rains Gonna Fall (visibility poor as well) blah blah Rolling Stone...
Time for a trade-in?

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Bloody thread drift, never known anything like it. B&B indeed think I'll turn it into a mobile WC must be scope for it in the Solent with all that shit workmanship and crap customer relations..

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Rudders. Rudders. So you think you've got problems. YThere's always someone worse off than yourself and this time I'm one of them. I got abit carried away with an angle grinder on mine so I'm the idiot who's work I have to rectify before I get on to fixing the original fault - which was the rudder shaft needing replacing.
I've also got this worrying leak.

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Customer relations seems to be an unheard of concept in the leisure marine industry. Either manufacturers go bust leaving customers to pick up the tab for defects, or agents perform s**t rectification jobs and leave you wishing that they had fobbed you off in the first place.

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Yup... we're actually really pleased by the boat but absolutely pissed off with the cowboys in the marine industry in the UK. Rip off Britain is a phrase I hear often on the continent and I usually try to defend my home .. but i'm finding it increasingly difficult .. like many of us we make many sacrifices to keep a boat and get totally f~cked off by the brigade who think .. they've got a boat they've got loadsadosh ... well we ain't we just love boats and I reckon at 12 I knew more about mechanics,stuctural engineering than most of the so called marine engineers.

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Where do you get this young man nonsense from?

Now when I was a young man (no, Victoria was not still on the throne) we took a very tasty racing boat out for a tuning sail just after the yard had popped her in the water after some winter maintenance. Got the rig standing up straight and central, marked the new running rigging for hoists and reefs and dip pole gybes, usual sort of yo ho ho stuff, just charging up and down off Netley.

Young Ken, as I was known then, pops down below to get something and lands in water. "Taste it," shouts owner. "Sea water" YK shouts back. "F**k," shouts owner, coming below at the run. He warms up the VHF, one of those big green boxes like something out Sizewell B, and gets hold of the marina. "Have the travel hoist waiting," he instructs them in no uncertain manner.

And so we pump our way up the Hamble to a very famous yacht services company where we motor straight into the lifting dock and are whisked out in two shakes of a donkey's hind ears.

We all get off and go home, except the owner. There is, apparently, a lot of very rude language exchanged over the next week or so before the truth outs. One of the winter jobs had been to add a keel bolt at the front end of the keel because last year all the filler at the front of the hull/keel joint and fallen out and the owner wanted the area stiffened up. "With pleasure sir" says yard rubbing its hands, "that'll be a hundred and extyseven guineas". So owner stumps up and in goes a nice shiny new keel bolt. Except that the well known yacht services company had drilled not into the keel, but into a void in the keel. When the bolt wouldn't tighten down they'd filled the hole with mastic and hammered the bolt in so it looked right. But as soon as the boat started sailing and flexing, water filled the void and crept up past the new keel bolt into the noble ship.

So cr*p service for yachties ain't just a modern problem, Jim lad.

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Re: Where do you get this young man nonsense from?

>>"Taste it,"

whiskied out in two shakes of a donkey's hind ears.<<

Hmm! Yep that would do it!

B


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Re: Scum at Marine Projects Plymouth

I have a similar but small-scale version of your story.

The Sigma 33 I used to sail on always leaked a trickle of salt water around the hull joint of the engine seawater intake seacock. I had tried to tighten up the nuts on the three bolts holding the seacock in place but the 3rd bolt just turned in sympathy with the nut.

When the seacock was removed next winter we found that the 3rd bolt was just a decorative feature. At the factory someone had mis-drilled one of the 3 sea cock mounting holes, so to cover up this mistake the third hole had been filled with mastic and a short length of decorative stud plus a nut pushed in to give the appearance that the seacock was fixed in place with 3 through-hull bolts.

I believe the same factory produces Moodys.

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Ken whit ah mean!

How many rudders must a man have fitted
Before he can sail his boat?
Yes, 'n' how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, 'n' how many times must the fitters fit
Before they're work ain't shit?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many times must a man call up
Before they can get it right?
Yes, 'n' how many days must one man have off
Before he see its not shite?
Yes, 'n' how many lifts will it take till he knows
That the boat is just sorted?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many months can a problem exist
Before its sorted simply?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man sing this crap,
before he starts to rap?
The answer, my friend, is just dae it yersell,
The answer is just dae it yersell.


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Thank you Mr Zimmerman

The answer, my friend, is just dae it yersell,
The answer is just dae it yersell.


Or as the master also said "You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you"

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Re: crappy workmanship?

What is their response to your observations/complaint? Agree it is just not good enough to have such a vital piece of equipment bodged together. Rudders in particular take alot of vibration from the propeller so locking bolts are essential.

Give them two weeks to sort it out or threaten to get someone else to do it and they can pick up the tab.

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He\'s obviously happy enough...

....to go sailing, as it is. Just passed them heading seawards, coincidentally near the aforementioned Netley, as we were coming in. Not so much as a wave, two fingered salute, or otherwise. Grumpy old bugger!

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Re: Where do you get this young man nonsense from?

"Victoria was not still on the throne". Oh, Edward VII had suceeded her had he?

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Most of the 'marine engineers' I know serving the yachting and motor boat trade have had no formal training and would not be able to join the Institute of Marine Engineers let alone register with the Engineering Council. A lot are just failed motor mechanics who would not know the difference between BSW, BSF, BSP etc let alone how much torque to apply to various sizes of locking devices. To those that do try to give good service, well done and long may you prosper over the cowboys.

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