gjgm
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oil and filters on two Kads ?
And change anodes and oil in two legs?
11 hours sound a bit topish?
And change anodes and oil in two legs?
11 hours sound a bit topish?
how many hours labour to change
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Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
The mans got to eat and make tea.....
Channel Ribs
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We just quoted 3 hours per engine, for oil and all filters.
Gear oil in a leg is half an hour per, if nothing odd turns up of course.
Gear oil in a leg is half an hour per, if nothing odd turns up of course.
DAKA
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Get parts out of stock 1/2 hour
walk down pontoon to find boat 1/2 hour
Go back to get tools and trolley 1/2 hour
rev guts out your boat to engulf marina in smoke and warm engines 1/2 hour
oil and filter change x2 2 hours
anodes 1 hour (should be wire brushed to work best)
props off x 4 = 1 hour
leg anodes 1/2
props on and torqued x 2 1 hour
leg oil drain 1/2 x 2 1 hour
oil top up, real pain, slow x2 2 hours
issue bill 1 hour
thats 11 1/2 hours, I reckon that is how long it would take me to do it myself, if I was getting £50 hour I might spin it out a bit /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
walk down pontoon to find boat 1/2 hour
Go back to get tools and trolley 1/2 hour
rev guts out your boat to engulf marina in smoke and warm engines 1/2 hour
oil and filter change x2 2 hours
anodes 1 hour (should be wire brushed to work best)
props off x 4 = 1 hour
leg anodes 1/2
props on and torqued x 2 1 hour
leg oil drain 1/2 x 2 1 hour
oil top up, real pain, slow x2 2 hours
issue bill 1 hour
thats 11 1/2 hours, I reckon that is how long it would take me to do it myself, if I was getting £50 hour I might spin it out a bit /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
gjgm
Well-Known Member
ok
so tolerable...!
so tolerable...!
SilverTT
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You've forgotten the bit about having a chat with people about all sorts of engine problems
RIN
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Did the oil and filters in both engines in three hours - would have been a lot quicker but but well over an hour of that was waiting for the stupid vacuum thingy to get the oil out and had to decant the oil from a volvo 20 litre can into something smaller. Filters were already on the boat. My last anode change was less than 40 mins for both legs. Have never changed the oil in the legs before but will do when boat comes out of the water But 11 hours seems a bit much to me - thats a day and a half of labour isn't it?
neale
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Don't know about this but do boaty mechs have standard job times for such things. ie it may not have taken that long but that is what the book says to log it as.
I remember having an old Beemer serviced and the garage phone me to say the bulb in the ash tray isn't working and as they are there, would I like it changed. Yeah great I say, only to find half an hour labour on the bill for it because that is what they charged for changing a bulb!
I remember having an old Beemer serviced and the garage phone me to say the bulb in the ash tray isn't working and as they are there, would I like it changed. Yeah great I say, only to find half an hour labour on the bill for it because that is what they charged for changing a bulb!
Kawasaki
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11 hours sound a bit topish?
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NO! a bit daftish.
Just done 2 engines for a certain Forumite (TAMD 40 summats, I think they were!)
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All the filts, air , crank breather, fuel etc etc .
Anodes and scrawping (is that a word?) heat exchangers out.
Checked impellers, batteries, gearbox oil, topped one up.
Removed trim tab pump, checked solenoid thinghies fixed dodgy connection.
After leaping about the blunt end whilst Forumite pressed switches to see which tab didn't tab.
I,m an old F%rt and don't move all that quickly.
10 hours was charged.
At only £80 an hour (well it was a fellow Forumite) very reasonable I thought.
Plus , only £250 for engine oil and £30 to top the HPU top up.
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Me and swmbo are on Champers tonight!!!
11 hours imho is Rollocks.
Charging hours IS difficult with boats.
No two buggers seem to be the same.
Even the same Makes.
There are a lot of Volvos in Motorboats and those raggie whatsits.
Even so, the anomolies are incredible.
Makes 'quoting' a damm hard task.
Specs and accessibility are a real prob.
Working 'upsidedown' is a chore!
I come from a Motor/ Motorcycle trade background.
Been involved with Motorboats for a living of late.
It is definately more difficult to suss/ diagnose/quote repairs for various reasons I must admit.
11 hours? ---- extracting the urine
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11 hours sound a bit topish?
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NO! a bit daftish.
Just done 2 engines for a certain Forumite (TAMD 40 summats, I think they were!)
/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
All the filts, air , crank breather, fuel etc etc .
Anodes and scrawping (is that a word?) heat exchangers out.
Checked impellers, batteries, gearbox oil, topped one up.
Removed trim tab pump, checked solenoid thinghies fixed dodgy connection.
After leaping about the blunt end whilst Forumite pressed switches to see which tab didn't tab.
I,m an old F%rt and don't move all that quickly.
10 hours was charged.
At only £80 an hour (well it was a fellow Forumite) very reasonable I thought.
Plus , only £250 for engine oil and £30 to top the HPU top up.
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Me and swmbo are on Champers tonight!!!
11 hours imho is Rollocks.
Charging hours IS difficult with boats.
No two buggers seem to be the same.
Even the same Makes.
There are a lot of Volvos in Motorboats and those raggie whatsits.
Even so, the anomolies are incredible.
Makes 'quoting' a damm hard task.
Specs and accessibility are a real prob.
Working 'upsidedown' is a chore!
I come from a Motor/ Motorcycle trade background.
Been involved with Motorboats for a living of late.
It is definately more difficult to suss/ diagnose/quote repairs for various reasons I must admit.
11 hours? ---- extracting the urine
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hlb
RIP
Course it might have taken eleven hours, if forumite had not taken the filters off, with the crap remover, whilst chief mechanic went for better remover.
Then of course there was the on board practical course, of how to switch the light bulbs on, with student participation. After three attemps, the student passed with flying colours and a diploma provided.
The bill is in the post. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Then of course there was the on board practical course, of how to switch the light bulbs on, with student participation. After three attemps, the student passed with flying colours and a diploma provided.
The bill is in the post. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
mtb
Well-Known Member
so you dont want it all looking at while fella's there ?
or only focus on said items and nothing else !!
any job takes as long as it takes
mick
or only focus on said items and nothing else !!
any job takes as long as it takes
mick
dragoon
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Hi Kawasaki, I couldn't tell if your post was (completely) serious or not, but, wow, 250 pounds for engine oil!! This year I bought 20 litres of genuine Volvo oil from KeyPart in a big drum for 70 odd pounds including delivery.
I can understand not everyone wanting to maintain boats themselves (cramped, upside down working), but it's worked to make it an affordable hobby for me - I've now progressed to maintaining all 3 of our cars myself as well. It does mean that I'm a bit dirty from time-to-time though /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
10 hours to do 2 TAMD 40's sounds something like right to me - it always takes longer than I expect, and there's always something needs attention. This time, I managed to lose an anode holder in the bilge, and have another one where the anode sheared - it meant more messing around, and having to wait for a new part of arrive.
Then there was the fix of the leaky pipe - should have been 10 minutes work, but it took 3 attempts, with 3 drain downs and refills of the coolant - all takes a lot longer than you'd believe.
Cheers,
Paul
I can understand not everyone wanting to maintain boats themselves (cramped, upside down working), but it's worked to make it an affordable hobby for me - I've now progressed to maintaining all 3 of our cars myself as well. It does mean that I'm a bit dirty from time-to-time though /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
10 hours to do 2 TAMD 40's sounds something like right to me - it always takes longer than I expect, and there's always something needs attention. This time, I managed to lose an anode holder in the bilge, and have another one where the anode sheared - it meant more messing around, and having to wait for a new part of arrive.
Then there was the fix of the leaky pipe - should have been 10 minutes work, but it took 3 attempts, with 3 drain downs and refills of the coolant - all takes a lot longer than you'd believe.
Cheers,
Paul
DAKA
Well-Known Member
[quote.
Just done 2 engines for a certain Forumite (TAMD 40
All the filts, air , crank breather, fuel etc etc .
Anodes and scrawping (is that a word?) heat exchangers out.
Checked impellers, batteries, gearbox oil, topped one up.
Removed trim tab pump, checked solenoid thinghies fixed dodgy connection.
10 hours was charged.
11 hours imho is Rollocks.
11 hours? ---- extracting the urine
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That was shafts.
You dont get a lot of change out of a days work from two engines.
Then another chunk of a day for the legs.
PRops have to come off to change anodes.
they can be put back on in 1/4 hour but not if you want them on properly, it takes time to torque and clean anode fittings, I used to clean the threads with a tap & die.
Only my opinion.
Just done 2 engines for a certain Forumite (TAMD 40
All the filts, air , crank breather, fuel etc etc .
Anodes and scrawping (is that a word?) heat exchangers out.
Checked impellers, batteries, gearbox oil, topped one up.
Removed trim tab pump, checked solenoid thinghies fixed dodgy connection.
10 hours was charged.
11 hours imho is Rollocks.
11 hours? ---- extracting the urine
/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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That was shafts.
You dont get a lot of change out of a days work from two engines.
Then another chunk of a day for the legs.
PRops have to come off to change anodes.
they can be put back on in 1/4 hour but not if you want them on properly, it takes time to torque and clean anode fittings, I used to clean the threads with a tap & die.
Only my opinion.
Andrew_Fanner
Well-Known Member
Well, lets see, Easter jobs:-
Take off starboard starter and see if it spins on the bench
Take out starboard injectors and see if the engine turns by hand
Pray that putting it all back together again means it turns over at all and preferably starts.
Pray that one of the injectors is obviously knackered which might explain the smoke
Take off the port water pump belt tensioning pulley and make it go round properly, proebably replace belt in the process.
Unless this is £50 from a pro spanner wielder then its all down to me and any help/advie etc I can solicit form any passer by/here etc.
Full pro service both sides is currently too much price so its best I can manage.
Take off starboard starter and see if it spins on the bench
Take out starboard injectors and see if the engine turns by hand
Pray that putting it all back together again means it turns over at all and preferably starts.
Pray that one of the injectors is obviously knackered which might explain the smoke
Take off the port water pump belt tensioning pulley and make it go round properly, proebably replace belt in the process.
Unless this is £50 from a pro spanner wielder then its all down to me and any help/advie etc I can solicit form any passer by/here etc.
Full pro service both sides is currently too much price so its best I can manage.
Kawasaki
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Hi Kawasaki, I couldn't tell if your post was (completely) serious or not, but, wow, 250 pounds for engine oil!!
Crikey No!
Don't do serious /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hi Kawasaki, I couldn't tell if your post was (completely) serious or not, but, wow, 250 pounds for engine oil!!
Crikey No!
Don't do serious /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
hlb
RIP
He'd have got a thick ear if he had.
Kawasaki
Well-Known Member
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That was shafts.
DAKA I didn't read the post properly.
Just 'saw' changing oils and filters.
Skipped the anodes.
I would expect to complete two engine lubes and filts.
Anode replacement and leg oils to take no longer than 8 hours if everything went to plan.
Yep changing all filts fuel air lubes etc and all anodes inc legs, plus leg lube etc.
I could see that work running to a day and half possibly.
I agree about anode fitting and props.
Needs to be done 'right' and can be time consuming.
As we all know with motorboats.
Access is the killer on occasions.
Crikey!
This is becoming My most serious post ever.
I,m Off!
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That was shafts.
DAKA I didn't read the post properly.
Just 'saw' changing oils and filters.
Skipped the anodes.
I would expect to complete two engine lubes and filts.
Anode replacement and leg oils to take no longer than 8 hours if everything went to plan.
Yep changing all filts fuel air lubes etc and all anodes inc legs, plus leg lube etc.
I could see that work running to a day and half possibly.
I agree about anode fitting and props.
Needs to be done 'right' and can be time consuming.
As we all know with motorboats.
Access is the killer on occasions.
Crikey!
This is becoming My most serious post ever.
I,m Off!