How many engines?

Prefer to buy new, problems and all.

Not keen on what people call 'proper' boats. I want something small enough to be easily handled alone, have a proper, warm wheelhouse for the winter and a flybridge for the summer. Not easy to fulfill my criteria, only the targa does so far.

I simply don't need a 40 footer - it's for all year use with 1 or two people on board, not for marina parties.




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you have more party space on either of those than most sub 40footers and, if you take the outside loo option on the 27.1 you are the only boat with a full on loo imediately available to outside partygoers!
I have looked extensively and longinly at the targas and wouldn't hesitate in getting the single engine although I might be tempted to a bowthruster......briefly.
I am amazed that you can get that boat anywhere near 75k - I was well over 90 with the sums 3/4 years ago before giving up as unrealistic financially.
Reasons for single engine would be as given above - more space around engine, 2 additional pipeberths, lower weight, lower servicing costs, lower fuel bills (yes 2 won't double it but it's still higher!). With either the KAD300 or the D6 the boat is never going to pu the engine under excessive load/wear either.
Finally if you get the 27.1 with a single you will be able to trade up to a 30 with twins reasonably painlessly through Wessex if you feel the need.

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Mmm !! I agree, there must be a discount involved here. The (very) basic 27 is £71k before VAT. You can easily add at least £5k for options before thinking about electronics.
Lovely boat though.

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Well, well well...That caused quite a response wouldn,t you say?
Not even going to comment really, because you already know the answer.....but just in case you forgot.........
27 one engine no need for more
30/31 two engines perfect if you really need that little bit of extra space
27 with two engines never heard of it and why would you, not even standard instalation
Can,t really say more....

Last comment, buy 27, save some money for extra bits like nav/bow prop etc.......
Regards
Stephen

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Sorry mate, new to boating and all this and if I could afford I would always go for twins be it on river or sea. If one has to ask what is best then one cant afford (only joking) no really twins must be best.

this is sent by a man who only has a single (although only uses on river, but has done maidstone to henley in the single and the boat and engine are 30 yrs old)

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A lot of pretty essential stuff is extra on the Targa price list, such as ally window frames, deck seating , rails, teak trims, the outside loo. galley, etc. etc. etc. (a bit like Merc cars used to be years ago).

The basic price is really a workboat spec. which is basically what they were.

A couple of years ago mine was 60 odd K basic but just over 90K as delivered with a bit of discount and a 10K electronics package.

You've really got to go through the detailed price list and spec up what you need.

FWIW based on my admittedly limited experience, the big strength of the design is not blatting around at over 30 knots (which you can only really enjoy in near flat conditions) but the fact you can hold 16 - 18 knots in comfort, warmth and security in quite heavy F6 ish conditions when a lot of other planing boats are giving up.

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Thanks for that. The true. No measure of a boat is what it can comfortablyy blam through at about 18 knots, and down to 8 knots on occasions. Not what it does max, As makes no difference. Would not help my P35 even if fitted with jet engines. when condiconds determined 8 knots. Still twice as fast as the rag thing though!! I'll look at this in the morning!!

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My thoughts exactly.

The £75k is list price with a D6. Lots of other stuff to add on after that, but I needed a point for comparison. List price wise the jump from 27.1 to 30 is £49k which is a bit eye-watering! :(


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Yes, I've been through the price list with a fine-tooth comb and ended up at about £90k too, but that seems reasonable value to me as it's the boat I want.

Just out of interest, what benefit can i expect from spending £785 on ally anodised window frames?

The main reason i want a Targa is for the all weather reputation as it will be used all year round, but everyone on here seems to think I want to enter powerboat races with it!!!!!! :)


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Well if I could afford it I'd go for a twin engined 30. This does appear to have better (less hemmed in) accommodation and actually in my eyes also looks better. It's even got an indoor loo - may or may not be an advantage!! If there was any problem in justifying the extra cost then I'd happily accept the 27.1. You will still have one of the very best sea boats, for it's size, that is available.
As has been said before, you can always upgrade in a couple of years time having not lost much in depreciation.

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I like the 30 too - depends how flush I feel when i come to order, but I think the 27.1 will do everything I need as a first boat - I'm told you never get it right until the third one anyway! :)


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Re: How fast is fast?

Ooh! have to take issue with this. 30knts is most efficient cruise speed for my boat. 20knts would use about 50% more fuel. It also feels more comfortable at this speed, but hull is set up for this rather than 20 and ride over waves rather than through em.

4 hours to Salcombe from Lymington is fine (112miles), cruising at this speed, and you can take it on this sort of trip that you are not going to get flat flat calm sea conditions.. I would have thought with a boat of your length and weight that 30knts would be very easy?

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Re: How fast is fast?

Brendan you do talk through your bottom some times. 30 knots in your squidgy little matchbox thingy might be fine. FOR YOU but with proper boats, 20 knots is quite a suitable cruising speed........./forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Haydn
 
Re: How fast is fast?

You wusses with your diesel engines, incapable of any decent speed, propogate the myth that 20knts is a decent cruising speed purely to hide the fact that diesel engines won't push you boats any faster /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Re: Wusses !!

Brendon, my ex-mate,

Not ALL diesel owners are wusses please

We cruise at 22 when dawdling and 25 as normal. 28+ does rather drink the go-juice. But certainly not 20kt a nice biggie wave might knock one offf the plane.

Perhaps you could be a little less sweeping in your generalisations <BG>

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Re: How fast is fast?

Cruising speed 30 knts top speed 36 knts, is that a wuss speed for diesel engines on a 40ft boat?

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Re: How fast is fast?

Well I'm begining to see that your right now. Especially after reading Barrys excelent contribution on another thread. Sory for doubting you.

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Re: Wusses !!

Oh I dunno. I kinda like sweeping generalisations. Particularly in relation to diesels /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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