How many engines?

An outboard as an auxiliary - thats an idea.

On one of the press shots it shows a 27 with a little outboard fixed to the transom - i suppose you just lower it and fix it to the bathing platform in an emergency and then steer with the leg? What size of outboard would you need and woudl it get you home?


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I hadn't thought of that - the price list only shows the 27.1 with single engine options so I assumed that was all that was possible. I'll ask about 2 x D4's - they are 210hp IIRC so that might be a good option.

I only really need two berths, so the pipe berths that might be lost don't matter to me.

Cheers.


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15hp should just about do it but it would need to be fixed on a bracket ready to use. You won't be able to lift it onto a bracket in any sort of seaway. Ah, cue upgraded mast option.
Actually IMHO it would spoil the classic streamlined good looks for which the brand is renowned.

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Not quite sure if I'm missing something here! I have been boating many years and to my way of thinking it used to be all about enjoying the freedom, the environment, the relaxing way of life compared to the hectic way many of us spend the greater part of our lives! it still is for me!

Has it really all boiled down to what speed we can do flying round to the next marina? trying to get out as fast as we can of this fantasic environment that we so fortunately have the privilage of using? is it that you just want to parade around the marina letting people know that yours does 40 knots or whatever?

If you want speed buy a top of the range italian sports car and drive like crazy!

IMHO twin engines are better than single for the leisure boater because most boats spend their life against pontoons and when they are really required to work, with the best will in the world sometimes don't! when you are far away from land it can often be useful if you at least have one that works!

Barry






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So much depends on what the boat is expected to be capable of. I've twice had both engine failiers. with in short time between. And for different reasons. Like five minutes!! But then my mechanic says I use the boat to much!!

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Haydn
 
Wondering about this as well. Old Mucky Farter can do max about 25 knots. Paybe cruise at 22, things going well. But 18 is far more comfortble. Cant see if 30 knots were an option. Where and when I would use it. Seems as usesfull as a Masseraty down a road full of speed cameras to me!!.../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Haydn
 
If you read my post, flat out speed is clearly not what I am after, neither is trying to impress people in the marina or I wouldn't be buying a Targa.

My question was as 1 engine performs nearly as well as 2, how many do I need?

With the Targas I am interested in there is a huge leap in price between one with a single engine and one with twin engines - a jump from £75k to £124k - I was trying to ascertain whether the benefit of twin engines was worth £49k?


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Well. Think between us. We have given the benifites and pit falls. Twin engines will use a bit more fuel, but not much. look. Blackpool boating lake is fine for one little engine, Fishing boat is OK with One engine. But then they dont buy a crappy Vo*v* thingy with kenwood chefe on the end. Do they???

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Haydn
 
I didnt mean to offend, just that everyone these days seems to think that blatting around at forty something knots is what boating is all about!

Clearing it all depends on how much boating at sea you are going to be doing?
and how much you can afford! If money is no object then I would go for twin engines for the reasons I have already said. Not everyone knows how to deal with a problem engine, what is more not everyone knows or can deal with it if you are caught out in a lumpy sea!

I have only been caught out twice in the last ten years with a problem that could not be fixed at sea, but I was very grateful that I had at least one engine to get me out of trouble! It does not seems to matter how new the vessel is, almost everyone that owns a boat can tell you that he or she has had a problem at sea with an engine at some time in their boating lives.

If money is a deciding factor then why not look at used boats that are only a couple of years old? you will get much more for your money.

Bast of luck

Barry


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Cruising at 30 is a nice option. Gets you to places inside weather window. Not for everyone ....see posts about family holiday, but I like to zoom across areas like Lyme Bay because I don't wan't to be hanging around there.

My boat smaller than some though, so weather windows more important.

30knts cruising nice though in any size boat, as you cover ground quickly, and take some weather, overfall concerns out of the equation

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No offence taken!

Being used to boating on the broads, 20 knots seems like warp 9 to me but you've got to have some kind of yardstick to see what you are getting for your money and I suppose knots is as good as any.


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Well. Up to about 40ft I'd always go for the bigger, better equiped boat. Price need not be a problem. You do not have to have a new one you know. Most folk think that new is the most problematic and expencive option. Personally I would not touch a new boat with a barge pole. In my opinion you need to be in the 35/ 40ft class for serious sea cruising anyway, taking into concideration. Capability and comfort. Why not look for a nice 10 year old proper boat and save some money into the bargain!!..../forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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Haydn
 
Err not so. I was taught that when learning to fly that two engines doubles your chances of engine failure and therefore you spend a lot of time learning to cope with shutting an engine down or flying on one.

Simply because say an engine could fail once in 10,000 hours. If you have two engines you will be running them at the same time and duration so you have two engines running for 10,000 hours you will have a likely hood of both failing during that period thus 2 failures per 10,000 reduces your chances to 1 in 5,000 and so one with the more engines you have.

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Err actually just re-read your post and you are right about total breakdown chance but I am right about chances of one engine failing increasing. I think we both agree that your chances of surving a breakdown increase with the number of engines.... no ;-)

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I think the only reason for buying two engines is the comfort factor. I have cruised extensively in the Channel with a single engine, and because my engineering cababilities are limited to adding fuel and oil I spent most of the hours at sea listening for any slight change in engine note. I think two engines are more relaxing, that's all.

Oh by the way, I was mostly doing 6 knots.


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Remember the Space Shuttle?

All the parts were engineered to have a 1 in 2 million failure rate. Then some bright spark remembered it had 3 million parts and it promptly blew up. . . . . ;-)


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