How long is an ICC valid for?

[ronsurf]

I passed my ICC the year before last, and I thought it was valid for five years. This week I got a notification from the RYA that I need to renew it, obviously I should join the RYA. Has my ICC expired after two years or is this just a scheme to get me to join? I'm not impressed if it is.

 

[AuntyRinum]

The expiry date is printed on the ICC.

 

[MoodySabre]

When you renew they give you a years membership of the RYA. The fee is the same as the sub. Then don't renew until it runs out. I thought it was 5 years.

 

[ripvan1]

Just renewed mine - definitely 5 years

 

[ronsurf]

Then I'm not impressed that the RYA want me to join to renew my ICC that doesn't need renewing. The more I experience the RYA, the less impressed I get.

 

[sailorman]

When you renew they give you a years membership of the RYA. The fee is the same as the sub. Then don't renew until it runs out. I thought it was 5 years.

So some of us are continual members ( abet without ICC ) & others are freeloaders

 

[sailorman]

Then I'm not impressed that the RYA want me to join to renew my ICC that doesn't need renewing. The more I experience the RYA, the less impressed I get.

Who else fights the boaters corner ( RYA menber since 1974)

 

[macd]

ICC is nominally valid for five years.
I've just renewed mine, but a couple of months early to avoid it needing to be posted to Greece. Slightly to my surprise, these months have been added to the validity: the date of expiry printed on it is 22.5.22

 

[Ludd]

It's amazing how you can suddenly become incompetent every 5 years. Do we have to renew driving licences every 5 years--- well, for heavy goods, yes, but not for driving a 100mph car.
Funny old world!

 

[duncan99210]

The OP mentions passing his ICC, which suggests that he did the RYA ICC assessment, rather than using an existing certification to obtain an ICC. If he didn't then use the assessment pass certificate to obtain a five year ICC, he may have been contacted by the RYA to do just that. You don't need to join the RYA to get an ICC: anyone can get one from them by paying the fee and sending in the paperwork. However, the ICC is free if you are a member.....

 

[jordanbasset]

It's amazing how you can suddenly become incompetent every 5 years. Do we have to renew driving licences every 5 years--- well, for heavy goods, yes, but not for driving a 100mph car.
Funny old world!

With photo D/lic you have to renew them every 10 years with a new photo, think it costs 14 pounds

 

[sailorman]

With photo D/lic you have to renew them every 10 years with a new photo, think it costs 14 pounds

The replacement for my paper licence 4 months ago was free & they cunningly used my current PP pix + signature lifted from their data base, so no need to send a pix

 

[Ludd]

The replacement for my paper licence 4 months ago was free & they cunningly used my current PP pix + signature lifted from their data base, so no need to send a pix

Every three years when 70 or over, Roger, and that's free.
Don't forget your passport costs you £100+ so there's an expensive way to save having your pic taken for the licence!

 

[Mr Cassandra]

As on the other thread Because I did Dayskipper practical twice, Dayskipper theory once and Coastal skipper once, all well before 2011.And the RYA have no records for before this date, so will not issue me with an ICC. Even though I have 5 commercial tickets issued by the Maritime and Coastguard agency 2014.

Had a long talk yesterday with them what a waste of time

 

[Giblets]

It's amazing how you can suddenly become incompetent every 5 years. Do we have to renew driving licences every 5 years--- well, for heavy goods, yes, but not for driving a 100mph car.
Funny old world!

Exactly what happens in the gas industry. On the date of expiry of your qualification (at 5 yearly intervals) you are competent; after midnight on that date you are not!

 

[Sandyman]

As on the other thread Because I did Dayskipper practical twice, Dayskipper theory once and Coastal skipper once, all well before 2011.And the RYA have no records for before this date, so will not issue me with an ICC. Even though I have 5 commercial tickets issued by the Maritime and Coastguard agency 2014.

Had a long talk yesterday with them what a waste of time

Most odd. I had never bothered with an ICC until we headed South. When I applied for one they told me I would have to be assessed. Told them I had been sailing for over 40 years & I had no intention whatsoever of paying for let alone doing some kind of assessment.
ICC arrived in the post 2 days later.

 

[ronsurf]

I thought I'd update this thread after finally getting round to phoning them.
In 2006 I took a RYA Powerboat Level II course, and in 2012 I converted this to a powerboat ICC.
In 2015 I took the ICC assessment/test thingy and updated my ICC with the sailing qualification.
Now, in 2017, the ICC (Issued in 2012) has expired, and for some reason the sailing addition has as well.

As it was explained to me - the ICC was issued in 2012, and it has now expired. The sailing part of it was an addition which expires along with the ICC.

So I have to renew it, then both are valid for another five years. I hope.

 

[Triassic]

Most odd. I had never bothered with an ICC until we headed South. When I applied for one they told me I would have to be assessed. Told them I had been sailing for over 40 years & I had no intention whatsoever of paying for let alone doing some kind of assessment.
ICC arrived in the post 2 days later.

That's an interesting attitude. So basically you're asking a professional organization to provide an internationally recognised endorsement of your ability to safely navigate a vessel based solely on your word that you can do it? If what you say is right I'm actually quite disappointed they capitulated so easily, it rather undermines the value of the document and the hard work the rest of us put in to obtain it.

 

[[3889]]

That's an interesting attitude. So basically you're asking a professional organization to provide an internationally recognised endorsement of your ability to safely navigate a vessel based solely on your word that you can do it? If what you say is right I'm actually quite disappointed they capitulated so easily, it rather undermines the value of the document and the hard work the rest of us put in to obtain it.

I suppose that's what happens when government inappropriately delegates responsibility. The ICC situation is akin to the AA issuing driving licences and structuring the fees to coerce people to join.

 

[macd]

I suppose that's what happens when government inappropriately delegates responsibility. The ICC situation is akin to the AA issuing driving licences and structuring the fees to coerce people to join.

I don't see anything "inappropriate" in government delegating to an organisation with long experience in the training and assessment of sailors, something the government itself knows little about. It is perhaps inappropriate that the organisation momentarily forgot it's expertise and handed out a certificate on the basis of a phone call. The only parallel here with the AA, would be if they were to dole out international driving permits (which they do) on a similarly casual basis (which they don't). Only the other hand sailing qualifications are a deal more varied than driving ones, so there may be justifiable room for flexibility (as opposed to sloppiness).

Incidentally, cf another thread, five years of international driving permit would cost £42.50 (plus five sets of postage and hassle), or almost exactly the same as an ICC...