How far up is The Thames a Navigation (specifically a Navigation rather than navigable) ?

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Question as title : How far up is The Thames a Navigation (specifically a Navigation rather than navigable) ?

I've just been watching this series on youtube where a man called Ed Pratt is traversing the full length of the Thames from source to sea in the course of the river itself. At one point he mentions his concerns that he may be trespassing and I wondered whether anyone can tell me how far up the Thames river it is officially a navigation (and hence traversing it is not tresspass) does anyone know?

I'd just like to emphasise I am not interested in how far up it is practically navigable as that is a different question, to which the answer is apparently "as far as the head, afoot in a wetsuit".

Thanks,

Boo2
 
Boo2 said:
Hi,

Question as title : How far up is The Thames a Navigation (specifically a Navigation rather than navigable) ?

I've just been watching this series on youtube where a man called Ed Pratt is traversing the full length of the Thames from source to sea in the course of the river itself. At one point he mentions his concerns that he may be trespassing and I wondered whether anyone can tell me how far up the Thames river it is officially a navigation (and hence traversing it is not tresspass) does anyone know?

I'd just like to emphasise I am not interested in how far up it is practically navigable as that is a different question, to which the answer is apparently "as far as the head, afoot in a wetsuit".

Thanks,

Boo2
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The Roundhouse and junction with the Thames and Severn is the limit for powered craft. There is, allegedly, a winding point, for full-length narrowboats but anything over 40ft will have problem these days. I have checked.......
 
Gibeltarik said:
The Roundhouse and junction with the Thames and Severn is the limit for powered craft. There is, allegedly, a winding point, for full-length narrowboats but anything over 40ft will have problem these days. I have checked.......
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And I should have added that the formal limit of the navigation is Town bridge at Cricklade 135 miles from Teddington (Tks Chris Cove-Smith!)
 
About 20 years ago we (TuesdayNightClub) took a 60' narrowboat to Hannington Bridge, about halfway up from Lechlade to Cricklade. At that time there were a few boats moored a couple of miles beyond the Roundhouse. Back in the 70's the Army supposedly got a powered pontoon up to Cricklade Bridge.
 
The OP is asking where there is a public right to navigate, as opposed to what is physically navigable.

(I am not familiar with the Thames, so can't help with an answer.)

Public navigations are established by long historic use (and presumably may or may not be formally documented). In principle, you need the riverbed owner's permission to navigate where there is not a public navigation. In practice, there is 'leakage' in both directions. I know of examples elsewhere where people navigate (mainly in canoes etc.) without permission where there is no public navigation, and others where there is (was?) a public navigation, but access has been blocked by a private landowner and it has become generally accepted but presumably could be challenged in court by someone with deep pockets.

Also due to silting (typically the result of changes in agricultural practice and extent; increased water abstraction and paving/development; and construction of drainage systems) many former public navigations may no longer be physically navigable except by the smallest of craft, rather than the cargo craft who's historic use created the public right to navigate..
 
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LittleSister said:
The OP is asking where there is a public right to navigate, as opposed to what is physically navigable.

(I am not familiar with the Thames, so can't help with an answer.)

Public navigations are established by long historic use (and presumably may or may not be formally documented). In principle, you need the riverbed owner's permission to navigate where there is not a public navigation. In practice, there is 'leakage' in both directions. I know of examples elsewhere where people navigate (mainly in canoes etc.) without permission where there is no public navigation, and others where there is (was?) a public navigation, but access has been blocked by a private landowner and it has become generally accepted but presumably could be challenged in court by someone with deep pockets.

Also due to silting (typically the result of changes in agricultural practice and extent; increased water abstraction and paving/development; and construction of drainage systems) many former public navigations may no longer be physically navigable except by the smallest of craft, rather than the cargo craft who's historic use created the public right to navigate..
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The answer was given in post 3 - your licence covers you up to Cricklade High St bridge.
 
ianc1200 said:
The answer was given in post 3 - your licence covers you up to Cricklade High St bridge.
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Yes, Gibeltarik answered above. It's hard to be certain from streetview etc but it seems there is no way down to the river from Town Bridge itself, strange if that's the end of the formal navigation.

Got to admit the idea of paddling a kayak down the length of the Thames does have some appeal 😀

Boo2
 
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This guy paddled from the source last year Bei Facebook anmelden and his blog is well worth reading.
We met him on the Thames last year at Pangbourne and we followed him down to Henley, gave him some diversions to do down St Patricks stream and the Hennerton backwater which he didn't know about.
Asked him where he was finishing his trip and he said Edinburgh!! Sure enough we went through London and turned left all the way up the East coast. Serious stuff!
 
I paddled up the Thames to Cricklade with three other students in two canvas and sticks canoes. Past the bridge, we could not go. There was not enough water even for canoes that summer. 1963.
 
Boo2 said:
Yes, Gibeltarik answered above. It's hard to be certain from streetview etc but it seems there is no way down to the river from Town Bridge itself, strange if that's the end of the formal navigation.

Got to admit the idea of paddling a kayak down the length of the Thames does have some appeal 😀

Boo2
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Our canoe club did this, there's some sort of meeting hall next to Cricklade Bridge with a garden - we asked them and they allowed to drop in from their land. Did try and go above the bridge but didn't get anywhere. Another time kayaked up from Lechlade then back down again.
 
Something to do on a cold damp winter afternoon.
Difficult to plot the course of the river.
Have boated to Tonbridge, road bridge to low after that, then explored by inflatable and then kayak.

Navigable tributaries , where they join the Medway, all appear have No Boating signs on the river bank.
 
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The Waterkaarten App shows it in good detail. In about 2004 we came up the Medway from the upper Thames, did get to the Tonbridge Town moorings, then went by inflatable for many miles upstream - seem to remember coming to a big resevoir and couldn't go any further - nothing anywhere as far as this shows.
 
As with the Thames ? due to water extraction, the source of the Medway has been slowly moving East.

Tonbridge .
Cannon Bridge.

 
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Really really miss not being able to get past East Farleigh Bridge.
Page from when MBM were interested in all types of boating. :)
"Sarah T" at Golden Green.
 
Just remember the horror when Paul Daniels turned up at the Trad Rally with the re-named "The Lovely Debbie McGee", sick inducing name, but beautiful powered canoe.
 
At the risk of hi-jacking a Thames thread.
The family holiday . Just above the lock. East Farleigh, late 1950s.
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It was acceptable then to moor and fish virtually anywhere on the river bank providing you caused no problems for the land owner or farmer.
Just spotted the anchor (a fisherman )is down, a severe lack of fenders, yes those ropes were hemp and a lock pass was about 2/6d.
Cannot recall if the santitory facilites were B&C or a cutting edge "Elsan" with that destinctive aroma of "Jeyes" Coal Tar antiseptic.
 
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