How far does a pot of Y10 go ?

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G'day everbody,

Bit short on time this year - & with a full cut looking a bit unneeded i thought previous thread on Y10 might help -

I have always been a fan of oxcallic acid in a mister on a warm day but would

A: Improve on the mister on medium yellow waterline stain

B: How far does a small £11 ish pot go ?

C: Leave a good enough surface for a 3m wax/polish (Which i find easiest to do by hand)

Thanks as ever
 
choppy said:
G'day everbody,

Bit short on time this year - & with a full cut looking a bit unneeded i thought previous thread on Y10 might help -

I have always been a fan of oxcallic acid in a mister on a warm day but would

A: Improve on the mister on medium yellow waterline stain

B: How far does a small £11 ish pot go ?

C: Leave a good enough surface for a 3m wax/polish (Which i find easiest to do by hand)

Thanks as ever
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And g'day Choppy.

By 'mister' do you mean a hand-pumped spray gun?
If so, have you tried mixing the oxalic accid solution with wallpaper paste? That makes it stick much like Y10 but without the pretty blue colour, but miles cheaper. Anything gloopy enough to stay attached for 15 minutes (including Y10) is likely to be more effective than plain oxalic.
 
macd said:
And g'day Choppy.

By 'mister' do you mean a hand-pumped spray gun?
If so, have you tried mixing the oxalic accid solution with wallpaper paste? That makes it stick much like Y10 but without the pretty blue colour, but miles cheaper. Anything gloopy enough to stay attached for 15 minutes (including Y10) is likely to be more effective than plain oxalic.
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Thanks

Yep a plant type spray bottle - i saw the wall paper paste "method" mentioned - but didnt think about putting that in a spray gun ! B-*&dy good idea though - any clue what consistancy to mix it to before it jams up solid ? (I really need to turn up & get on with the job rather than experiment)

& Yes sorry about the "how long is a peice of string" nature of this thread - see a pun
 
choppy said:
Thanks

Yep a plant type spray bottle - i saw the wall paper paste "method" mentioned - but didnt think about putting that in a spray gun ! B-*&dy good idea though - any clue what consistancy to mix it to before it jams up solid ? (I really need to turn up & get on with the job rather than experiment)

& Yes sorry about the "how long is a peice of string" nature of this thread - see a pun
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My turn to apologise, for ambiguity. I didn't mean to suggest using oxalic + paste in a hand spray. All that will achieve is tendonitis or a crushing handshake. Just paste it on with a brush. Make if fairly thick, sort of apple sauce consistency, but remember that wallpaper paste usually does nothing for five minutes, then suddenly thickens up.
 
I have never used Y10, which seems very expensive for not very exceptional performance. Many years ago I bought a tub of a powder type teak cleaner, also based on oxalic acid, maybe Boatlife but not certain. It was used annually on deck and hull, where it rapidly removed all yellowing. It lasted six or seven years. I then bought another powder, similar but with an unknown manufacturer. I've had that for five years or so and it's still going strong. I put a small amount of it in a small container, add some water and brush it on.
 
I used to use Y10 before finding a handier product and would reckon to do a 30' hull several times over and perhaps a 35' one a couple of times at least. I usually spread with the sponge side of one of those washing-up jiffy pads and as long as you are careful it goes quite a long way.
 
choppy said:
G'day everbody,

Bit short on time this year - & with a full cut looking a bit unneeded i thought previous thread on Y10 might help -

I have always been a fan of oxcallic acid in a mister on a warm day but would

A: Improve on the mister on medium yellow waterline stain

B: How far does a small £11 ish pot go ?

C: Leave a good enough surface for a 3m wax/polish (Which i find easiest to do by hand)

Thanks as ever
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Hi, It sounds like you are out of the water,on the hard. If this is the case,for that awfull brown waterline stain try "ACE" hydrogen peroxide laundry bleach. It is thick enough to stay on, works in ten or fifteen mins. and costs under two quid in Tesco. DO NOT WASH IT OFF WITH WATER!!!! This will cause you and your boat to dissapear in a deep mass of foam-wipe it off with dry cloths or old towels before getting water near it . Good Luck.
 
macd said:
And g'day Choppy.

By 'mister' do you mean a hand-pumped spray gun?
If so, have you tried mixing the oxalic accid solution with wallpaper paste? That makes it stick much like Y10 but without the pretty blue colour, but miles cheaper. Anything gloopy enough to stay attached for 15 minutes (including Y10) is likely to be more effective than plain oxalic.
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I have tried the wallpaper paste and oxalic solution with very poor results. I do not even know what it does to the hull, because despite adding a full packet of paste to the solution, it would not gel. The stuff just formed a sort of sludge in the bottom of the container. The amount of paste powder added should have made a gallon of paste and I was only using a pint of solution.

So, one for the chemists. Should I make up the paste first then add the oxalic crystals? Or should I disolve the crystals in half of the water, make the paste with the other half then mix?

I already know that adding the paste to the solution does not work. Any ideas on why not? I thought maybe something to do with reducing osmotic pressure maybe.
 
Wight Dawn said:
I have tried the wallpaper paste and oxalic solution with very poor results. I do not even know what it does to the hull, because despite adding a full packet of paste to the solution, it would not gel. The stuff just formed a sort of sludge in the bottom of the container. The amount of paste powder added should have made a gallon of paste and I was only using a pint of solution.

So, one for the chemists. Should I make up the paste first then add the oxalic crystals? Or should I disolve the crystals in half of the water, make the paste with the other half then mix?

I already know that adding the paste to the solution does not work. Any ideas on why not? I thought maybe something to do with reducing osmotic pressure maybe.
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Never had much issue with the mixing. I use approx half litre water, add two desert spoons of teak cleaner and one of B&Q cheapest paste.

Stir with the brush you are going to put it on with for a few minutes until you get a grey, gloop

That will cover one side of a 30' yacht

Use a jet wash to remove as by the time you finish the early stuff will be sticking on pretty well.

Have fun
 
I use approx. half a pot of Y10 a year on my 28-foot boat. I did briefly consider mixing my own concoction before realising that £5 to £6 a year spent on Y10 is such a trivial amount that I'd be wasting my time sourcing the materials and mixing it up.

I endorse what others have said about using Y10 on a warm day; it definitely works best then, and on very cold days it doesn't work at all. The only problem is that warm days are in short supply at the time of year when you are most likely to be using it!
 
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