How do you flush your tender outboard or not?

[TiggerToo]

just a thought. Wouldn't Rydlyme (http://www.ricoservices.co.uk/environmentallyfr.htm) do the job?

 

[vyv_cox]

just a thought. Wouldn't Rydlyme (http://www.ricoservices.co.uk/environmentallyfr.htm) do the job?

Rydlyme is 5 - 9% hydrochloric acid, so not a lot different from brick acid. This will be a very effective reagent for removing scale and deposits but possibly not good for aluminium alloy components in the engine. A very lengthy flush with fresh water would be advised before a winter layup. The inhibitor in antifreeze might be beneficial but my personal view is that it is too much hassle for the benefits given. There must be millions of outboards running for many years that have never had the benefit of anything other than the occasional fresh water flush, if even that.

 

[RichardS]

In Greece we carry three buckets ... None of them comes anywhere near tall enough to flush the outboard.

Some people like to flog dead horses, have the last word, think they are correct when they are not, do not like to be told the thingy-m'jig is a skeg and perhaps simply enjoy to argue and take a topic off thread. Of course learning to accept that occasionally other people may be right would be useful...

All good stuff Sailingsaves .... except that, on this occasion, Vyv has hit the nail on the head and proven me correct, as usual. Sorry.

Richard

 

[steve66]

All good stuff Sailingsaves .... except that, on this occasion, Vyv has hit the nail on the head and proven me correct, as usual. Sorry.

Richard

I think we need to.....
A-Find out what model the outboard is
B - Work out the size of the bucket or else we could be discussing until kingdom come
I dont use a particularly large sized bucket to flush my 2hp honda in. Fortunately rhe cavitation plate is fairly small.

 

[VicS]

In Greece we carry three buckets, ............ None of them comes anywhere near tall enough to flush the outboard

All good stuff Sailingsaves .... except that, on this occasion, Vyv has hit the nail on the head and proven me correct, as usual. Sorry.

Richard

Al that proves is that Vyvs buckets are too shallow for his outboard

To prove you are not correct here is a picture of a Seagull in a bucket.

 

[RichardS]

Al that proves is that Vyvs buckets are too shallow for his outboard

To prove you are not correct here is a picture of a Seagull in a bucket.

For God's sake Vic .... all I ever said was "using a bucket will probably not provide enough depth of water for most outboards".

I am 100% convinced that a standard bucket (2 gallons I think?) will be fine for a decades-old Seagull but I know that you do not believe for one second that the design of a Seagull is representative of most current outboards (Thank the Lord).

I've no idea what's going on with you and Sailingsaves but it's not an edifying spectacle.

Richard

 

[Sailingsaves]

For God's sake Vic .... all I ever said was "using a bucket will probably not provide enough depth of water for most outboards".

I am 100% convinced that a standard bucket (2 gallons I think?) will be fine for a decades-old Seagull but I know that you do not believe for one second that the design of a Seagull is representative of most current outboards (Thank the Lord).

I've no idea what's going on with you and Sailingsaves but it's not an edifying spectacle.

Richard

This had nothing to do with VicS or myself.
see post #31 to #33

I know Steve. He does not need anyone to stand up for him, but I found your response to him distasteful and arrogant and anyone interested in why I have a beef with your attitude can read the thread here:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?475485-solar-and-wind-turbine-controller&highlight=

where you totally took a topic off thread (you never once gave a response to solar controllers but argued about battery voltages instead and I foolishly did not ignore you), you ignored cast iron facts from manufacturers and stated that "with an attitude like mine I would not be around much longer". You initiated the nastiness.

I note how you twist things and ignore things that don't fit your argument. E.g. when did anyone mention standard bucket sizes? You did, just lately. Is that not entering evidence after the fact to justify your point of view? That is a spectacle that I do not find edifying. I do find it laughable however. You were a lawyer were you not? Or a barrister?

Some people on here were and are scientists and facts are facts. Some people do not like others belittling others, especially when an arrogant person is wrong but cannot see it. Steve is more sensible than I am and did not rise to your bait.

I am still around and my attitude is that I like justice; people should not go around thinking they are better than others and hiding behind their keyboards and initiating arguments by stating that people have attitude problems or use inflammatory statements such as the one you directed to Steve: "flogging a dead horse".

So you are also wrong when you say that "...all I said was using a bucket will probably not provide enough depth of water for most outboards".

Not only is it wrong, incorrect factually; it is a lie; you said plenty more than that.

All in my humble opinion, of course.

 

[steve66]

For God's sake Vic .... all I ever said was "using a bucket will probably not provide enough depth of water for most outboards".

I am 100% convinced that a standard bucket (2 gallons I think?) will be fine for a decades-old Seagull but I know that you do not believe for one second that the design of a Seagull is representative of most current outboards (Thank the Lord).

I've no idea what's going on with you and Sailingsaves but it's not an edifying spectacle.

Richard

Yamaha ,mariner 2hp, mercury 2.2, 2.5 ,3.3, 3.5 honda 2hp they should fit. I would hazard a guess that list is the majority of tender sized engine?

 

[steve66]

This had nothing to do with VicS or myself.
see post #31 to #33

I know Steve. He does not need anyone to stand up for him, but I found your response to him distasteful and arrogant and anyone interested in why I have a beef with your attitude can read the thread here:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?475485-solar-and-wind-turbine-controller&highlight=

where you totally took a topic off thread (you never once gave a response to solar controllers but argued about battery voltages instead and I foolishly did not ignore you), you ignored cast iron facts from manufacturers and stated that "with an attitude like mine I would not be around much longer". You initiated the nastiness.

I note how you twist things and ignore things that don't fit your argument. E.g. when did anyone mention standard bucket sizes? You did, just lately. Is that not entering evidence after the fact to justify your point of view? That is a spectacle that I do not find edifying. I do find it laughable however. You were a lawyer were you not? Or a barrister?

Some people on here were and are scientists and facts are facts. Some people do not like others belittling others, especially when an arrogant person is wrong but cannot see it. Steve is more sensible than I am and did not rise to your bait.

I am still around and my attitude is that I like justice; people should not go around thinking they are better than others and hiding behind their keyboards and initiating arguments by stating that people have attitude problems or use inflammatory statements such as the one you directed to Steve: "flogging a dead horse".

All in my humble opinion, of course.

Sailingsaves.. thanks for the kind words. It really is water off a ducks back. No offence was taken, in fact i find it amusing

 

[RichardS]

Yamaha ,mariner 2hp, mercury 2.2, 2.5 ,3.3, 3.5 honda 2hp they should fit. I would hazard a guess that list is the majority of tender sized engine?

OK .... it's just Vyv and me who both have 3 standard buckets on board and none of them are deep enough for our outboards. My outboard is a 2.5 Suzuki so small by current standards. If none of my buckets fit my 2.5 I would be amazed if any 5hp engine (most of the engines in this marina are 5hp and above) would be flushable in my 3 buckets or in Vyv's.

I am well and truly gobsmacked that my smiley-faced comment in post #32 has generated so much heat and no light. I think you all need to get out and get sailing asap!

Richard

 

[steve66]

Im gonna add another tangent to "bucketgate".
Has anyone considered using a large sturdy watertight shopping bag?
Remove the prop ( if you dont have neutral) pop the bag over the gearbox fill with water and bobs your uncle!!

 

[RichardS]

This had nothing to do with VicS or myself.
see post #31 to #33

I know Steve. He does not need anyone to stand up for him, but I found your response to him distasteful and arrogant and anyone interested in why I have a beef with your attitude can read the thread here:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?475485-solar-and-wind-turbine-controller&highlight=

where you totally took a topic off thread (you never once gave a response to solar controllers but argued about battery voltages instead and I foolishly did not ignore you), you ignored cast iron facts from manufacturers and stated that "with an attitude like mine I would not be around much longer". You initiated the nastiness.

I note how you twist things and ignore things that don't fit your argument. E.g. when did anyone mention standard bucket sizes? You did, just lately. Is that not entering evidence after the fact to justify your point of view? That is a spectacle that I do not find edifying. I do find it laughable however. You were a lawyer were you not? Or a barrister?

Some people on here were and are scientists and facts are facts. Some people do not like others belittling others, especially when an arrogant person is wrong but cannot see it. Steve is more sensible than I am and did not rise to your bait.

I am still around and my attitude is that I like justice; people should not go around thinking they are better than others and hiding behind their keyboards and initiating arguments by stating that people have attitude problems or use inflammatory statements such as the one you directed to Steve: "flogging a dead horse".

So you are also wrong when you say that "...all I said was using a bucket will probably not provide enough depth of water for most outboards".

Not only is it wrong, incorrect factually; it is a lie; you said plenty more than that.

All in my humble opinion, of course.

I'm sure that the other 1600 forumites who are understandably glued to this thread will be waiting with bated breath to see my erudite scimitar-like response ......... :sleeping:

Richard

 

[VicS]

For God's sake Vic .... all I ever said was "using a bucket will probably not provide enough depth of water for most outboards".

I am 100% convinced that a standard bucket (2 gallons I think?) will be fine for a decades-old Seagull but I know that you do not believe for one second that the design of a Seagull is representative of most current outboards (Thank the Lord).

I've no idea what's going on with you and Sailingsaves but it's not an edifying spectacle.

Richard

All small water cooled outboards are fundamentally the same, Engine at the top of a drive shaft, gearbox driving a propeller at the bottom. Water pump down below somewhere as well. My Seagull or your Yamazukihatsu pretty much the same idea.

A good proportion of modern small fixed drive outboards have their water pumps located on the propshaft , unlike the Seagull , where it is above the gearbox and driven by the vertical drive shaft. I you can stop digging now!d expect many if not most of these to fit within the depth of a domestic bucket.

However it appears that faced with losing yet another argument you have sunk to the level of sarcasm. Therefore end of discussion! You've dug your hole!

You can stop digging now!

 

[RichardS]

However it appears that faced with losing yet another argument you have sunk to the level of sarcasm.

Please show me where I have expressed any sarcasm.

Richard

 

[Kinsale373]

I pull the split pin and slip off the prop so I can stand the engine in a relatively small container of fresh water. Mix in some "Saltaway" and let the engine run for 10 mins , recirulaing the solution through the cooling circuit. I do this at the end of the season before laying up for the winter.

Kinsale 373

 

[Little Dorrit]

video of the back flush method

 

[VicS]

video of the back flush method

Its appears that the hose is connected to the telltale. If that is so it may not be flushing the main cooling channels in the engine at all. You can see that the system is being back flushed from the hose connection to the water intake but there is no sign of any water flow through the rest of the engine . Water would be coming out of the exhaust outlet if it was.
Another misleading youtube video I suspect

 

[RichardS]

Im gonna add another tangent to "bucketgate".
Has anyone considered using a large sturdy watertight shopping bag?
Remove the prop ( if you dont have neutral) pop the bag over the gearbox fill with water and bobs your uncle!!

Or perhaps "skeggate" or should that be "skegate"?

That would need a really sturdy shopping bag. Mine seem to give way with only a half-dozen wine bottles in them.

Richard