Horrific boating crash on Sydney Harbour - Five/six dead

[Observer]

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Do you reckon that nice Austrian man with a Cellar is innocent too?

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[ironic observation]Probably only someone who exercises the same degree of control over his children as this man did could be so confident that none of his children would EVER become involved in an escapade such as described in this story.[/ironic observation]

 

[hlb]

Well it's a bit like this. In the middle east folk get stoned to death for unmarried kids. Or hand cut off for stealing. Theres nearly no stealing or unmarried pregnant kids.

Here we have more unmarried mums, than the rest of the world and have invented ferral youths. The more you condesend to the wrong doing, the more it happens.

It's the do gudders at fault. Just make sure, like it used to be here. If they even step over the traces once. They wont even think of it again. THe PC society has killed them, no one else.

 

[[2068]]

I almost agree with you.

Apart from I think it's a generational thing.

The current state of the Youth "Justice" system?
Policitcal Correctness?
The inability of teachers/parents/police to administer reasonable admonishment before poor behaviour escalates and has serious consequences?

That would be OUR fault.

All these things we have invented, instilled in our culture, and are part of our legacy to the younger generation.

dv.

 

[hlb]

I saw it comming from the 60,s Society is totally bankrupt. It's built on scameras, 16 teen year olds used as trafic wardens. (saw two today) Both with the Nazi uniform.

Duno if it will make a difference. But society has got to be get back to the people.

 

[nonitoo]

My apologies if this is moving too far from the boating theme but society has always looked back to some 'golden age' where crime was notionally less.

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Please glance at the following:-

Historical myth-making in juvenile justice policy, by Abigail Wills. She exposes two contradictory myths: that there was a golden age of law and order; and that treatment of juveniles is now more enlightened. Blair launching Asbos talked of his father's day in the 30s and his own youth when "people behaved more respectfully to one another and we are trying to get back to that". It's bunk: think of teddy boys and razor gangs. We tolerate much less minor violence than we did, and we tolerate teenagers less.

As for "enlightened treatment", the paper finds it more severe now than at any time since the 1850s, locking up more young people for lesser offences. Approved schools and borstals belonged under local authorities, not in the prison system, and were no worse and maybe relatively better than our suicide-prone, overcrowded youth offender institutions: the head of the Youth Justice Board resigned recently in disgust, with 70% of its budget spent on imprisonment, leaving little for prevention or rehabilitation.

Only two years ago the Carlile inquiry gave shocking descriptions of "children kept for up to 14 days in a bleak dilapidated cell with only an old rusty metal frame bed for company". The age of criminal responsibility was only recently reduced to 10 years. "The punitive stance of the last 15 years is historically unusual," says Wills. She quotes every era's historical boasting both that they face worse youth crime and that they deal with it better than before.

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OK, it is only one academic's view but certainly there was no 'golden age'. I, for one, remember the Teddy Boy days and my father also remembered and told me about the 20/30s razor gangs. My grandfather certainly told me about being afraid to go out at night at the turn of the century and claimed that the Great War 'cleaned out' the slums (in his own, non-PC, words).

Tom

 

[motayotty]

I think people may need to step back from speaking in ignorance!

"The rear of the runabout was damaged and the port bow of the fishing boat was punctured."

Has it occurred to anyone the runabout may have been stationary and the fishing boat ran in to it?

Does not make it right to take the boat but who may be the guilty party here. How fast can a runabout reverse to cause damage ?
Many ways this could have happened but the injuries sound like severe blunt trauma. High speed impact?
I think it might be wise to wait for more information. Interesting that yet again emotions can cloud wisdom. I speak from experience I have made a right knob of myself through losing sight of the wider picture.
As has been said if your memory goes back to your youth then you must blush and cringe at the incidents that were a close call. Its a fine line that divides us from the poor youngsters who lost their lives.