crown22
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If I read this correctly the ship hit an iceberg and this size hole was caused.Wouldn't the pumps be able to cope while the crew effected a repair?
Hole the size of a fist-MV Explorer
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Bilgediver
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Depends what was on the hold as
A hold contents could have blocked the pump suction ..
B.. Hold contents could have prevented access to ships side.
In the old days we draped sails over the side with ropes lead around the hull....Maybe no sails or canvas hatch covers anymore.
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A hold contents could have blocked the pump suction ..
B.. Hold contents could have prevented access to ships side.
In the old days we draped sails over the side with ropes lead around the hull....Maybe no sails or canvas hatch covers anymore.
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Pye_End
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Does seem a little surprising that a ship designed to hit icebergs couldn't cope with what seems a fairly small hole.
jwrhind
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Don't know the answer. Have a look at http://lib.tkk.fi/Diss/2007/isbn9789512290130/isbn9789512290130.pdf for some of the theory.
Poignard
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In the old days we draped sails over the side with ropes lead around the hull....Maybe no sails or canvas hatch covers anymore.
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Aye, matey! Fothering we called it.
In the old days we draped sails over the side with ropes lead around the hull....Maybe no sails or canvas hatch covers anymore.
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Aye, matey! Fothering we called it.
Pye_End
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130 pages. Think I'll go and do the washing up before starting this! Thanks for the link.
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In the old days we draped sails over the side with ropes lead around the hull....Maybe no sails or canvas hatch covers anymore. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Bl**dy hell, did you sail with Nelson??
During Damage Control exercises on the Grey Funnel Line, we used to use laced hammocks and shoring timbers which were stored in the companionways 'tween decks. We used to practice at Pompey dockyard where the MAA (wearing wellingtons) used to come back in see how much water had got in after the exercise with a measuring stick and if it was too much, we had to do it all over again. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Perhaps new Health & Safety Regs forbid them to enter into a flooding companionways or cabins (just like the Community Police who did not jump in to try and rescue that drowning boy even though they were on scene and knew exactly where he had gone under)!!
Ho-hum, life goes on. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
In the old days we draped sails over the side with ropes lead around the hull....Maybe no sails or canvas hatch covers anymore. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Bl**dy hell, did you sail with Nelson??
During Damage Control exercises on the Grey Funnel Line, we used to use laced hammocks and shoring timbers which were stored in the companionways 'tween decks. We used to practice at Pompey dockyard where the MAA (wearing wellingtons) used to come back in see how much water had got in after the exercise with a measuring stick and if it was too much, we had to do it all over again. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Perhaps new Health & Safety Regs forbid them to enter into a flooding companionways or cabins (just like the Community Police who did not jump in to try and rescue that drowning boy even though they were on scene and knew exactly where he had gone under)!!
Ho-hum, life goes on. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
pvb
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Hole or crack?
I believe the damage may have been in the form of a crack or split, rather than a simple hole. Indeed, one of the early news reports described it as a "fist-sized crack" - surely something which should have attracted LakeSailor's attention? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I believe the damage may have been in the form of a crack or split, rather than a simple hole. Indeed, one of the early news reports described it as a "fist-sized crack" - surely something which should have attracted LakeSailor's attention? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
dsw
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INSURANCE JOB IF YOU ASK ME !!!
pcatterall
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It emerges that the Community Police arrived 15 minutes after the boy had disapeared, what happened to the 2 fishermen who had pulled the little girl out? They were just as well trained as the PCSOs and were on site from the begining.
My son is a PCSO and works hard in his community, he would have jumped in but hates to see his collegues slagged off in the media when they cannot respond.
My son is a PCSO and works hard in his community, he would have jumped in but hates to see his collegues slagged off in the media when they cannot respond.
LadyJessie
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The most recent information seems to be that it was a long crack and not a hole. The ship had watertight compartments that should have been able to cope with one hole. Read comments from a previous skipper of the ship here:
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misterg
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I have heard (very anecdotal friend of a friend..., etc. who may or may not have been onboard) that the flooding went un-noticed for some considerable time, until reported by passengers, then the watertight doors wouldn't seal, so the flooding progressed.
I wouldn't take this as anything more than speculation unless you find something to support it.
Andy
I wouldn't take this as anything more than speculation unless you find something to support it.
Andy
Dyflin
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The other problem is that pumps are of no use whatsoever whilst the ship is blacked out. Which happened to the Explorer...
Bilgediver
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Perhaps new Health & Safety Regs forbid them to enter into a flooding companionways or cabins (just like the Community Police who did not jump in to try and rescue that drowning boy even though they were on scene and knew exactly where he had gone under)!!
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This thought did cross my mind too.......
Yep I suppose in this modern day and age one wouldn t go into a hold of burning grain and scoop the offending grains into buckets (about 12) and sling them over the side.... What smoke masks???? They had probably been sold in Suez...
One hold of best wheat undamaged and no water damage either although I suppose there was some organic smoke damage LOL..
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This thought did cross my mind too.......
Yep I suppose in this modern day and age one wouldn t go into a hold of burning grain and scoop the offending grains into buckets (about 12) and sling them over the side.... What smoke masks???? They had probably been sold in Suez...
One hold of best wheat undamaged and no water damage either although I suppose there was some organic smoke damage LOL..
oldharry
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Aye, matey! Fothering we called it.
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Being a BOF and totally pedantic - no its not. Fothering was what you did to the sail before it was put over the hole, and consisted of large amounts of yarn worked through the canvas to provide a more watertight seal.
You can bet your boots that the men fothering the sail never worked so hard and fast in their lives!
Aye, matey! Fothering we called it.
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Being a BOF and totally pedantic - no its not. Fothering was what you did to the sail before it was put over the hole, and consisted of large amounts of yarn worked through the canvas to provide a more watertight seal.
You can bet your boots that the men fothering the sail never worked so hard and fast in their lives!
Poignard
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FOTHERING, a peculiar method of endeavouring to stop a leak in the bottom of a ship while she is afloat, either under sail or at anchor. It is usually performed in the following manner: a basket is filled with ashes, cinders, and chopped rope-yarns, bonette lardée, Fr. and loosely covered with a piece of canvas; to this is fastened a long pole, by which it is plunged repeatedly in the water, as close as possible to the place where the leak is conjectured to lie. The oakum, or chopped rope-yarns, being thus gradually shaken through the twigs, or over the top of the basket, are frequently sucked into the hole along with the water, so that the leak becomes immediately choaked, and the future entrance of the water is thereby prevented. quote]
From William Falconer's Dictionary of the Marine. According to that, we are both wrong! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Incidentally, I always thought that the above technique was known as a "Blackwall caulking"
FOTHERING, a peculiar method of endeavouring to stop a leak in the bottom of a ship while she is afloat, either under sail or at anchor. It is usually performed in the following manner: a basket is filled with ashes, cinders, and chopped rope-yarns, bonette lardée, Fr. and loosely covered with a piece of canvas; to this is fastened a long pole, by which it is plunged repeatedly in the water, as close as possible to the place where the leak is conjectured to lie. The oakum, or chopped rope-yarns, being thus gradually shaken through the twigs, or over the top of the basket, are frequently sucked into the hole along with the water, so that the leak becomes immediately choaked, and the future entrance of the water is thereby prevented. quote]
From William Falconer's Dictionary of the Marine. According to that, we are both wrong! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Incidentally, I always thought that the above technique was known as a "Blackwall caulking"
sailorman
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"Blackwall Caulking" is the mud @ Blackwall.
Thames barges would take the ground @ Blackwall thereby forcing the mud between the bottom planks sealing them /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Thames barges would take the ground @ Blackwall thereby forcing the mud between the bottom planks sealing them /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif