Holding tanks Turkey ll

[Appleyard]

Norman E

I was thinking along the lines of fitting a flexible holding tank in the bilges under the sink,with a pump which would empty it via a hose to the collection point.
Being a flexible tank it should not need a vent pipe,as it would "expand &contract" (for want of a better phrase) as it is used. Any thoughts?

As I said earlier I would reckon that if you are seen to be doing the right thing to conform to the regulations,there should not be any problem.
As for those who have said that they are not willing to pump out their holding tanks etc. ,and will leave Turkey rather than clean up their act,....well off you go ,it leaves more space for the rest of us.
It is ironic that it's a country like Turkey,for all its faults....not an EU member & closer to the East than the west,which is trying to enforce a clean up.
My remarks are not aimed at anyone in particular,so don't get the huff!!!!

 

[Norman_E]

My first thought was that you need a vent, just in case anything in the waste water generates gas. On reflection however it is obvious that it could not build up pressure if the there was nothing blocking the inlet pipe. The downside would be smell from the waste water. I am going to install a trap under my galley sink, just as you have at home, but if the tank contents generate gas it would bubble up through the trap, if unvented. For that reason, and to act as an overflow when the tank is full I consider that you need a vent. I intend to fit a small bore vent pipe (12mm bore) which will end outside, probably in my boat's large lazerette to avoid drilling holes in the deck or hull. The end will go into a jerrycan to receive any overflow.

All of us will have to get used to the idea that we will be banned from making any discharges near to the coasts, and if anyone thinks that this will only apply to Turkey, think again. It will be only a matter of time before the EU bureaucrats copy the idea, and issue a directive. Then you will see EU countries rushing to enforce it and gleefully collecting fines from those who do not comply.

 

[blueglass]

As I said earlier I would reckon that if you are seen to be doing the right thing to conform to the regulations,there should not be any problem.
As for those who have said that they are not willing to pump out their holding tanks etc. ,and will leave Turkey rather than clean up their act,....well off you go ,it leaves more space for the rest of us.
It is ironic that it's a country like Turkey,for all its faults....not an EU member & closer to the East than the west,which is trying to enforce a clean up.

You can't really take the moral high ground when by your own admission, you are only intending to look as if you are complying to some small extent, rather than embrace it in its entirety. it is still the case that for many boats compliance is a practical impossibilty in terms of retro fit. we have a shower, galley sink and 2 heads with sinks - and in common with others, every square inch of my boat is already used for something. If you want to introduce this kind of thing you have to start with the boat builders and require all new boats to be built with the requisite tanks designed into the build in a proper way and allow things to gradually filter into common usage over a long period. Emmision control in cars was achieved this way over time. We didn't all have to rush out and fit new engines in our cars overnight.

 

[Appleyard]

You can't really take the moral high ground when by your own admission, you are only intending to look as if you are complying to some small extent, rather than embrace it in its entirety. it is still the case that for many boats compliance is a practical impossibilty in terms of retro fit. we have a shower, galley sink and 2 heads with sinks - and in common with others, every square inch of my boat is already used for something. If you want to introduce this kind of thing you have to start with the boat builders and require all new boats to be built with the requisite tanks designed into the build in a proper way and allow things to gradually filter into common usage over a long period. Emmision control in cars was achieved this way over time. We didn't all have to rush out and fit new engines in our cars overnight.

When I said "seen to be doing the right thing" I meant it literally...ie fitting the requisite tanks and system.not just ... Going through the motions...(If you will forgive the unfortunate double meaning ) thus appearing as if I was complying.
As for taking the moral high ground,my intention in raising this subject was only to deal with the practical issues in adapting the boat systems to comply with any new directives. There is another thread which is discussing the directives themselves.