holding tanks again

Demonboy; I hope you noted that I specifically stated that I do not think this is a British problem. I just added that I have found this problem to a higher degree in British boats, which was probably a superfluous comment. I did not accuse any nationality, but I do accuse stupid cruisers of many nationalities of not thinking about what they are doing.
 
We are sorry if what we say is not understanded as we intend. My boss and other captains talk much about this. we also talk to local fishing boat captains about it. greece places a lot of wc outlet from houses into harbour waters although ec pays a lot of money for development but this does not make it good. some fishing boat captains say it is not good for boats to put all contents of septic tank into sea at one place because this kills many fish. it is better to do more natural thing and let people each do their own one at a time. septic tanks also have chemicals in them which kill fish. we do not wish to say with agression but foreign visitors must not expect to have special clean swim pool of their own around their yacht.
Kentrina
 
Ken Irby, that is one of the most astonishing posts I have ever seen on this, or any other forum.

What you appear to be saying, as a Greek insider, is that visitors should expect to find themselves swimming in dilute sewage?

Do you work for the Greek Tourist Board, or are you bent on economic suicide?

Do they know your position on this?

Well, the short answer is. SOD YOU FILTHY GREEKS, AND I'LL STAY IN TURKEY! They don't sh!t in their own nests!

How utterly disgraceful!

Shame shame shame.
 
A subject that bewilders me.

Having spent 20 years in Canada on inland waters, you never ever dischare overboard. Not only will they fine you you will be swimming in your own s*** when you take a dip.

Now living in the UK I find it amazing that there are no laws banning the overboard dischage of sewage, at least in harbours anchorgaes etc. A lot of talk of greece and turkey but we should look closer to home.

I realise a lot of older boats don't have holding tanks. I own one and am fitting them this winter.

When my parnets moved back and brought there boat with them which had only holding tank, but no overboard discharge we spent most of our time looking for pump out statios in the solent. From memory the only ones being Yarmouth, Cowes (and only in the last couple of years), and Hamble. Amazing given the number of boats in the solent.

It is about time the Uk and the industry in general cleaned itself up. They should do it themselves because it wont be long, I hope, and it will be regulated upon them.
 
Do not wish to doubt your authenticity but this is your first post since joining in 2004. You appear to write in stilted english as if it is not your first language, perfectly understandable, but your spelling is excellent, the two do not normally go together. Are you really Greek or another nationality intent on causing issues for Greek tourism. I do not wish to cast aspersions on your character but something does not add up. I have had correspondence in the past with Greek friends and the way you have constructed your post, it just does not add up. Why mention all the money you get from the E.C. in relation to this issue?

If you really are Greek, which I doubt, I am sorry you hold such views. But wonder as you have been on the site so long and there have been so many threads relevant to Greece that you choose this as your first posting.
 
Don't know where Kentrina is coming from either, but this seems to echo what our charter management company does in reality. No name, no shame - the managepent company has prolly the biggest fleet in the Med, name begins with K.
K fleet in Turkey - H/Ts up to scratch, full briefing (only dump waste un Greek waters)
K fleet in Greece - feed the fish
K fleet in Italy - don't pump out in marina, unless the H/T is blocked, in which case call K staff, who pump out into marina..........
DIY in a Sardinian marina would incur mega fines,but as long as a "capo" is in charge
 
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Now living in the UK I find it amazing that there are no laws banning the overboard dischage of sewage, at least in harbours anchorgaes etc.

[/ QUOTE ]There are laws. It is illegal to discharge sewage water in any EU waters, It just seems that this law is adhered to in a somewhat lesser extent in some EU countries like the UK and Greece. The problem with EU laws and regulations are that they are dependant on the local national country to enforce them. If that particular country do not think that this law/issue (clean waterways in this instance) is priority; then nothing will happen. Imho, the UK has done very little to enforce clean practices in its' yacht fleet.
 
Sir or madam i can not tell by your details for you do not say which it is. I am very sorry that you do not understand what i am saying. you think i am greek. no i am not but i will not tell my country as my boss thinks that it is not good to give a lot of information on internet chat forums. all that i have said is true. the people in turkiye do send WC waste into the water from the houses on the land. in greece they have little facility for any other method of operation. if you were a visitor in india then you would expect sewage in the water i think. greece has only facilities which are a little better so maybe you should not expect too much. the fishing boat captains in greece and turkiye talk about big areas of brown and stinking water outside of tourist harbours where tourist boats empty their septic tanks. one captain said to my boss that it was OK for the [--word removed--] made by simi taverna food to be emptied out 5km from the port but not OK for the [--word removed--] made from rhodos to be put there two. this is usually not just one boat but often many tourist boats. i am sorry if my english is not good enough for you to understand sometimes. this is why as well as my boss's advice that i have not written on this site before
Kentrina
 
Just because other people do something bad (including s**t their own nests), is not a reason for me to do it! Or to like it.

If Ken irby is saying - well Greece is poor, and don't expect everything to be 'just so', well maybe that's true. It doesn't make i okay to add our HT-full to the general mess. And Boat44 is right that no boat used to sailing in UK waters should be too precious, as there is absolutely no practice of using HTs anywhere that I am aware of on the British coast.
 
A couple of points arise from the posts above.

First, strongly tidal waters, such as those in Northern Atlantic Europe, don't pay much attention to sewage discharge from sea going leisure boats (except in locked in areas and marinas) because the tidal currents dilute the stuff. Until a couple of decades ago, it was also common in those areas to discharge untreated sewage from smaller towns directly into the sea.

Next, Ken_Irby was not talking just about Greece, so an attack on what was said is not appropriate. The majority of Medterranean towns discharge sewage directly into the sea in varying quantities. In some cases this is because the town is small and cannot afford a treatment plant, in some cases it's because individual houses will not pay to connect to the town system when there's a perfectly good storm drain next door. And in some places it's remote, and septic tanks are so expensive to build . . .

The EU 'blue flag' beach scheme recognises these weaknesses in the system (and also the fact that there are many seaborne mammals roaming the waters) and goes out to measure how much contamination there is, awarding blue flags to clean beaches (and, maybe, sometimes for political favours).

The above points apply to every country I've visited in the Mediterranean. Genoa stinks as much as Thessaloniki, Izmir and Venice are on a par. Naples and Barcelona have their moments. The pongs of Navplion and Bozburun have a lot in common - though Bozburun coveniently has more wind.

Sliema and Mahon have tidied up their acts quite a lot, and many others are improving all the time. Sorry if I've slighted someone who has now cleaned up . . .

But it's still grossly lazy for yachts to discharge close to the shore when they have holding tanks fitted.
 
Very wise words. Judging by the response you got from the offender, this is another classic case of a total lack of common sense, hell its not rocket science is it?

At the moment the boat we sail in the SoF does not have a holding tank, something that will hopefully be changed for next year. This year on the two weeks aboard we have just returned from, when anchored we moved the boat a couple of miles off shore early in the morning (before breakfast!) so we could avoid contaminating the clear waters. A bit of effort, oooh! for a holding tank to save the dawn dash! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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