Hoegh Osaka aground on Bramble Bank

chanelyacht said:
The Port Emergency Plans accommodate a number of scenarios, from pax vessel fire to groundings and other emergencies. The pilots all have excellent knowledge of the best places to go given the time constraints of the emergency. I'm told that one think ishort supply during this incident was thinking time!

The normal contingency for non-stability related issues is get towage alongside quickly and into the emergency reception dock or the dry dock.
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Thanks! I bet time was short on this one. Especially if the issue manifested itself during the turn to port it was smart work to develop the plan, get east of the Brambles and use the tide.
 
benjenbav said:
it would have been relatively easy to go alongside at Fawley and get the problem fixed or at least do a bit of head scratching about it.
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Nope!

This isn't a yacht with a dodgy engine or something - you can't just bang it alongside a handy pontoon and jump off with a line.

As well as all the points ChanelYacht has given, if there wasn't an imminent ship movement already planned, there are unlikely to have been any linesmen present to take the heaving lines and bring the mooring lines ashore. So they wouldn't have been able to make fast to the jetty at all without getting in touch with Esso and getting some guys ready, which there wasn't time to do.

Pete
 
chanelyacht said:
The Port Emergency Plans accommodate a number of scenarios, from pax vessel fire to groundings and other emergencies. The pilots all have excellent knowledge of the best places to go given the time constraints of the emergency. I'm told that one think ishort supply during this incident was thinking time!

The normal contingency for non-stability related issues is get towage alongside quickly and into the emergency reception dock or the dry dock.
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Which dry dock?
Thought the Millbrook one had been filled in.
 
prv said:
Nope!

This isn't a yacht with a dodgy engine or something - you can't just bang it alongside a handy pontoon and jump off with a line.

As well as all the points ChanelYacht has given, if there wasn't an imminent ship movement already planned, there are unlikely to have been any linesmen present to take the heaving lines and bring the mooring lines ashore. So they wouldn't have been able to make fast to the jetty at all without getting in touch with Esso and getting some guys ready, which there wasn't time to do.

Pete
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In fairness, I was talking about a hypothetical situation where there was time to stabilise the situation rather than just cruising up to the dock but I do take your point in the circumstances of the Hoegh Osaka.
 
from the BBC

"We were told that the cars were still strapped down in position, which is incredible. We understand that some of the heavy machinery has moved."
 
KevB said:
from the BBC

"We were told that the cars were still strapped down in position, which is incredible. We understand that some of the heavy machinery has moved."
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One of the heavy diggers punctured a hole in the side of deck 6 but they have repaired that. (from the press conference at 4pm earlier)
 
chanelyacht said:
Nope, the sequence of events is entirely consisted with a catastrophic ballast handling system failure.
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Hmm. Not sure fluid ballast would flow that quickly from one side to the other through restrictive pipes. Loosely stowed part load cargo, conveniently placed on a higher deck for a short hop across the channel and North Sea to Germany in forecast fine weather, could easily slide to one side. Especially if the turn speed was on the high side.

Have you noticed just how shallow the underwater part is.

The ship was already committed to a very tight port turn with what would have been hefty port rudder. The rudder is now hard to stbd, but ever been in a saling yacht during a broach and noticed how ineffective the rudder becomes as the boat rears round completely out of control. Fairly convenient that the bank was there - possibly.

I doubt that rudder was doing any steering at that angle of heel.

The MAIB report on this one will make for some very interesting reading - thankfully no one seriously hurt.
 
Gotta agree with chanelyacht. Consistent with a stability problem associated with ballast or fuel transfer. Turn would have induced some heel but not sufficient to shift cargo. Besides, multiple reports for hours now that most cargo still secure. Plus, GCaptain digital graphics very illuminating.

Once again I'm shaking my head at shallow and ill-informed media coverage and commentary, especially in early stage.

Big thanks to you guys here and YBW for staying on top of this story. Barely on the radar of local news outlets here and way better than Google.
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Refloat attempt delayed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-30705547
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Salvors of the grounded Hoegh Osaka car carrier in the Solent have decided not to attempt to refloat the vessel on Wednesday over the revelation that the vessel has taken on more water than previously thought.
A statement from the UK Maritime & Coastguard Agency on Tuesday said that preparations were being made to potentially refloat the ship on Wednesday or otherwise secure the ship in preparation for the expected bad weather.
 
superheat6k said:
Hmm. Not sure fluid ballast would flow that quickly from one side to the other through restrictive pipes. Loosely stowed part load cargo, conveniently placed on a higher deck for a short hop across the channel and North Sea to Germany in forecast fine weather, could easily slide to one side. Especially if the turn speed was on the high side.

Have you noticed just how shallow the underwater part is.

The ship was already committed to a very tight port turn with what would have been hefty port rudder. The rudder is now hard to stbd, but ever been in a saling yacht during a broach and noticed how ineffective the rudder becomes as the boat rears round completely out of control. Fairly convenient that the bank was there - possibly.

I doubt that rudder was doing any steering at that angle of heel.

The MAIB report on this one will make for some very interesting reading - thankfully no one seriously hurt.
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I find it hard to believe that it was caused by loose cargo.
The loading gangs are not that irresponsible
 
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