Chris_Robb
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And why not?Simple, don't be in Turkey or anywhere else, that doesn't belong to the EU VAT area on 31.12.2020.
And why not?Simple, don't be in Turkey or anywhere else, that doesn't belong to the EU VAT area on 31.12.2020.
4pm LT ,When is it on? Load of rubbish last time with scare mongering...... can you heckle them?
The prophecy says that where you are at the end of TP, defines your VAT status. Within the EU VAT area, you keep your EU VAT paid status, outside you loose it.And why not?
The prophecy says that where you are at the end of TP, defines your VAT status. Within the EU VAT area, you keep your EU VAT paid status, outside you loose it.
Doesn't make sense to me, as normally you are allowed 3 years absence from EU VAT territory before you loose your status, why would it be reduced to 0 sec for that day? Anyway, several topics discussed the
issue here, referring to the Cruising Association which got the information from an EU-source.
All unclear though as the entire Brexsh.t ordeal.
Until now they (were supposed to) follow the general EU procedure to apply the 3 year rule in case someone was away longer. Obviously Brexit made them to turn their U-boats. err, turn their boats U...Your last sentence - Careful dear, your slip is showing.
Seem to recall that this thread started out discussing HMRC U-turn on returning boats (to the UK) so nothing to do with Brexit
Until now they (were supposed to) follow the general EU procedure to apply the 3 year rule in case someone was away longer. Obviously Brexit made them to turn their U-boats. err, turn their boats U...
Vic - three year runs from when you for instance sail to Turkey from Greece. Each time you come back within that time you reset the clock. In theory RGR will get you back in, but the applicant may require residency. This is a question we are asking.4pm LT ,
Chris see posting 172 question for you .
GTOM - the exact wording is if your vessel is in the UK Customs zone on 31st December it becomes UK Vat Paid goods. This then says - which has been confirmed , is that if you are anywhere else in the world - say Turkey, you have 3 years exemption on returning, from the date you left the EU Customs zone. So if you left on May 2018 and come back bu May 2021, you will still have EU VAT and UK VAT by you right of exemption. So you dont per se have to be IN the EU to retain it. The worry I have is that the Greeks will not brief their customs guys and they invent their own rules, which will differ by where you go to check in! Hence I would prefer to be in the EU at that date.The prophecy says that where you are at the end of TP, defines your VAT status. Within the EU VAT area, you keep your EU VAT paid status, outside you loose it.
Doesn't make sense to me, as normally you are allowed 3 years absence from EU VAT territory before you loose your status, why would it be reduced to 0 sec for that day? Anyway, several topics discussed the
issue here, referring to the Cruising Association which got the information from an EU-source.
All unclear though as the entire Brexsh.t ordeal.
Bit still not clear , not charge hand during the time ,Vic - three year runs from when you for instance sail to Turkey from Greece. Each time you come back within that time you reset the clock. In theory RGR will get you back in, but the applicant may require residency. This is a question we are asking.
None of us can believe that that the RYAs belief that the 3 years for us starts when you left the UK..., ie 10 years ago for me, however does it really matter, as your RGR right to reimport it provided it still conforms to the rules, ie
And will be available for years.
- Private Owner
- Not changed hands during the time, so still in the same ownership as when it left the UK or EU (currently)
- No major refits or re-builds overseas, so must only be maintenance and running repairs
Vic. It if changes hands within the EU customs zone, it will be exported and returned by the new owner. Change of ownership out side EU customs zone always destroys the VAT. As it will when we are out.Bit still not clear , not charge hand during the time ,
So If it changed hands in the EU than I take it RGR can still be claimed but if change hands out side the EU it's libel for VAT again that's if they don't change that . Correct ?
1. How can they blatantly ignore the law, which due to the great reform Bill is now in UK law. Red herring I thinkWatches the RYA webiner,kept losing the volume, so didn't get it all .
Three thing come out of it
1 ... it seen HMC have said the boats returning back to the UK up to Dec 2021 will be able to claim RGR .( RYA still working on getting it to three years )
2.. as I and may other have been saying the TR2 is no prove VAT has been paid .
3 .. some country may not recognise the ICC if the boat flag isn't within the country that skipper is from .
In other words if you reflag your boat to say Greece or Spain then , Spain or Greece MAY not except the ICC .
but say your flag is British and your a British resident then your OK .
The rest was all basically no one know as yet ,
RYA members can write in with question .
Sorry chris maybe I need to easy off the beer a bit .Vic. It if changes hands within the EU customs zone, it will be exported and returned by the new owner. Change of ownership out side EU customs zone always destroys the VAT. As it will when we are out.
Interesting. Except the boatyard, no one can prove that I was definitely in the UK Customs zone and eg. not on international waters or in the Caribbean on a specific date, certainly not a then 100% foreign customs officer.GTOM - the exact wording is if your vessel is in the UK Customs zone on 31st December it becomes UK Vat Paid goods. This then says - which has been confirmed , is that if you are anywhere else in the world - say Turkey, you have 3 years exemption on returning, from the date you left the EU Customs zone. So if you left on May 2018 and come back bu May 2021, you will still have EU VAT and UK VAT by you right of exemption. So you dont per se have to be IN the EU to retain it. The worry I have is that the Greeks will not brief their customs guys and they invent their own rules, which will differ by where you go to check in! Hence I would prefer to be in the EU at that date.
There are still a number of points to get confirmation, but they are fringe - both from the EU and HMRC.
Watches the RYA webiner,kept losing the volume, so didn't get it all .
Three thing come out of it
1 ... it seen HMC have said the boats returning back to the UK up to Dec 2021 will be able to claim RGR .( RYA still working on getting it to three years )
2.. as I and may other have been saying the TR2 is no prove VAT has been paid .
3 .. some country may not recognise the ICC if the boat flag isn't within the country that skipper is from .
In other words if you reflag your boat to say Greece or Spain then , Spain or Greece MAY not except the ICC .
but say your flag is British and your a British resident then your OK .
The rest was all basically no one know as yet ,
RYA members can write in with question .
@Mistroma
Mike I watch the RYA webiner although I did lost sound at times ,
I have to say they where very vague on a lot of it but I don't think its they fault I think any organisation be it the RYA or the CA who ask the same question would had got the same reply from the government and HMRC and be just as vague at this point of time .
I know even when I owned HMRC money and try and sort thing out it's like putting teeth getting an answer from them .
My question to chris although I got no intention of bring my boat back to the UK .
I still don't quite understand the answer .
The rule is if the boat was export and changed hand while exported the RGR rule dont apply , that straight forward , that's is as clear as day light .
BUT
Surly when a item is moved from one EU country to another there no export is involved, it's all within the EU ?
and as we was in the EU at that time and the boat was brought in the EU how can they say it's changed hand while it's been exported .
What am I missing ?
Are they saying any goods moved from the UK to any other part of the EU while the UK was part of the EU is counted as goods been exported ?
If at any point someone say in the same position as me wanted to go back to the uk sail there for a season then return back to the EU they would be Fu@k as it mean just for one season sailing they would have to paid VAT a second time .
I don't think many would go back even before this , has I personally know most get as far as Greece and they stay there or sell their boat there ,Does this apply to just boats or everything returning to the UK
I see some interesting class actions coming over the hill.?
Bovvered Me?
Nah, never intended to take this boat back to the UK.?
Bye England?
I don't think many would go back even before this , has I personally know most get as far as Greece and they stay there or sell their boat there ,
not many cruisers like our selfs who do move around and it be them cruisers who may had sailed their boat back to the UK one day but that's not going to happen now.
I just can't get my head around this export stuff , I can't see how they can say a boat been exported when it staying within the EU especially has it was not registered in any one country other then its own country ,
In which case then changing owner should effect the RGR rules .
Bit like buying a boat in the UK , doesn't that mean VAT is due a second time ? ( it's not been exported it stayed within the EU and it changed ownership within the EU)