pvb
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When the boat eventually escapes from the cosy warmth of Fox's workshop, it'll be staying in the water over the winter, just as I've been accustomed to doing.
high and dry
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sailorman
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Dont go "Too" white on an older boat.
It's got 20 year old Toplac on and it's gone faded, chalky and multi shades of blue. But to put Awlgrip on would have meant all of that sanded off and the mother of all filling and fairing, plus a very expensive paint job. This way they can lightly sand, undercoat and Toplac in white for about half the cost, I'm a big fan of Toplac and as it will be Oyster white it will suit the aged coachroof and be easily touched up - when we touch up with blue now it looks an entirely different colour the old is so faded. Can't see Oyster white fading much. The yard have a cunning plan to get it done next spring.
i went for Awlgrip Off White
sailorman
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Those chaps will soon be able to apply for British Citizenship, HOW LONG does it take to apply treadmaster :disgust:
pvb
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Not Treadmaster, and the guys have only been here this week. Very long story, but the whole sorry fiasco will have cost Bavaria many thousands of pounds, and the selling dealer isn't going to be pleased when he gets my claim for loss of use.
dennyjc
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I believe we met you going the other way ->
and, to stay on topic, we will be in all winter
sailing when rain, wind and light allow
Otter
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You can claim for that? How do you quantify it?
pvb
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I don't know how to quantify it (any suggestions welcome!). Maybe I base it on bareboat charter prices? Or on boat value, plus mooring cost, plus insurance?
But the short story is that I ordered a new-build boat with fake teak in the cockpit and on the decks. Boat arrived from Germany with fake teak in the cockpit, but nothing on the decks. On the low-loader with the boat was a pallet of fake teak panels for the decks, and the supplying dealer was supposed to arrange to fit them, and bill Bavaria. Dealer said it would take under a week. Two weeks later, dealer appointed a fitter, I happened to visit the day he started, and he was going to drill holes all over the deck to hold the panels down while the glue set. I stopped the work, got a surveyor to advise, surveyor agreed with me that proposal was a non-starter. I took boat away and told dealer he'd have to get someone professional to fit the deck panels in the Orwell area. In the meantime, Bavaria got involved and said they'd send a team from Germany to fit the panels, but they wanted me to find a heated workshop with 24hr 3-phase power. Fox's kindly said they'd rent space in their workshop. Bavaria agreed the cost. I took the boat to Fox's on 3 Oct, they got it into their workshop ready for the Germans. The Germans arrived, took one look at the deck panels which had been lying around at the supplying dealers and then at Clipper's place on the south coast, and said they wouldn't fit them (one panel smashed, half the rest damaged). Germans went home. Then weeks of delay while (presumably) they argued about who was going to pay for a new set of fake teak panels. Finally, Germans arrived on Monday this week with a new set of panels, and are going home tomorrow (Thursday), so it was effectively a 3-day job. By the time the boat's out of the workshop, back in the water and re-rigged, it will be 17 Dec - about 11 weeks since I took it there. I think it's reasonable to ask for compensation for loss of use. Incidentally, if I'd known what a shambles the Bavaria dealer network is, I'd never have bothered buying one.
MoodySabre
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I don't think you can claim in the court for a non-financial loss of amenity. A goodwill payment from Bavaria is the best you can hope for. A mere token.
Otter
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I'm sure you can claim for storage charges during that time. I remember a case quoted on YBW where the judge declined unless they had missed their pre-booked two week holiday on board and had had to charter instead.
Otter
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He said it more betterer
Athene V30
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So, who is staying in, and about to tell me of all the fabulous winter saiing they have planned?
In Neptune but no sailing prior to Christmas due to working every Saturday (and Mon to Fri). Am planning to be aboard for Boxing Day and weekend immediately after Christmas and have a 3 boat meet planned for 10/11 Jan. The rest is up to the weather Gods!
Gitane
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Staying until after Christmas in the hope of a day or two sailing between Christmas and new year. It's usually to cold for this, but with the hottest year on record apparently, there is always hope.
After that, take boat out,drop mast and replace radio aerial and coax along with usual maintenance stuff. Back in early spring.
Gitane
After that, take boat out,drop mast and replace radio aerial and coax along with usual maintenance stuff. Back in early spring.
Gitane
AliM
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Which boat is yours then?
There were hardly any other boats out over the weekend, so I expect we saw you.
Poecheng
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Not sure that is correct
The loss of amenity is capable of being quantified financially even if it is a very rough approximation. Are they liable in the first place?
Seems that this will depend on the terms of the contract but I expect there was a contractual delivery date when PVB could have been expecting to use the boat.
However, a better bargaining chip is what would have happened if PVB hadn't have fortuitously turned up when the village idiot was being let loose and was going to give him a deck full of drill holes ! I think if PVB arrived to find that already done, he would have good grounds for entirely rejecting the boat. He has saved them a lot already!
Storage charges etc will be down to Bav (HQ or Dealer) as it seems the contract was with them and/or they consented to be responsible for it. If they wanted it taken out in the hiatus they should have said so.
So only question is what PVB can get for being messed about and not spreading the (justified) dirt. Get some nice extras? Spare keel ? (sorry, couldn't resist)
Phoenix of Hamble
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Well you never know!
One of my all time favourite sails was on a New Years day about 7 or 8 years ago.... it was a beautiful crisp clear winters day, with only 6 or 7 kts of wind.... we had FullCircle and his better half on board, and just drifted up the Stour for a couple of hours, with a terrific mulled wine on the stove.... we all sat in the cockpit wrapped up to the nines in gloves, scarves and hats.... it was just perfect
pvb
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Good suggestion, but hopefully won't be needed!
dennyjc
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We were the white hulled Maxi 1100 going out of the Crouch
against the tide (in an attempt to get back before dark).
I took the photo because Alshira was looking good
.....Hadn't realised that you were a forumite.
Saguday
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Well, having only just gone back in the water at Tollesbury a few weeks ago I think we'll be staying in for winter, as usual!
We may have to relocate though, there seems to be a lot of riffraff moving into the area, generally lowering the tone
Any new 'incomers' please come say hello, we're on J8.
Looks like it will be a winter of work work work, split between earning dosh, doing bathroom upgrades at home and continuing our slow overhaul/upgrades on Saguday.
Agree with Neil about opportunistic winter sails though, we've had some delightful ones, especially around New Year and early January but whether we'll manage any is another story.
We may have to relocate though, there seems to be a lot of riffraff moving into the area, generally lowering the tone
Any new 'incomers' please come say hello, we're on J8.Looks like it will be a winter of work work work, split between earning dosh, doing bathroom upgrades at home and continuing our slow overhaul/upgrades on Saguday.
Agree with Neil about opportunistic winter sails though, we've had some delightful ones, especially around New Year and early January but whether we'll manage any is another story.
wingdiver
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We'll be in as ever.
Next haul out is scheduled for May 2015 as we come out every other year to sort anodes, antifoul and do all the other out of the water jobs.
We'll take the opportunity to go for a trip whenever the weather is OK.
Had a great trip out a couple of years ago on Boxing Day. Sunny and cold - we had to become an icebreaker to get out of the marina - but it was really nice. Even the aged rellies on board had fun although that might have been partly because the heat was on and the fact they had found the sherry left over from the trifle!!
Next haul out is scheduled for May 2015 as we come out every other year to sort anodes, antifoul and do all the other out of the water jobs.
We'll take the opportunity to go for a trip whenever the weather is OK.
Had a great trip out a couple of years ago on Boxing Day. Sunny and cold - we had to become an icebreaker to get out of the marina - but it was really nice. Even the aged rellies on board had fun although that might have been partly because the heat was on and the fact they had found the sherry left over from the trifle!!
FullCircle
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Well, having only just gone back in the water at Tollesbury a few weeks ago I think we'll be staying in for winter, as usual!
We may have to relocate though, there seems to be a lot of riffraff moving into the area, generally lowering the tone
Looks like it will be a winter of work work work, split between earning dosh, doing bathroom upgrades at home and continuing our slow overhaul/upgrades on Saguday.
Agree with Neil about opportunistic winter sails though, we've had some delightful ones, especially around New Year and early January but whether we'll manage any is another story.
Bwahahaha! We will be on J9.....
