Hfl generator issue

Hi Dave, I just replied to your PM but for the benefit of others that have this type of generator:

Yes, the capacitor is the one in the box that sits on top of the generator housing.

Assuming you have not tripped the mains isolator/MCB off, that normally sits close to the generator and isolates the 240v supply from the generator, then hopefully the capacitor has just lost its charge.

You are correct, there is no AVR on the 6kVA it is self exciting.

With the generator not running, you just need to flash 12Vdc across the capacitor, it will spark a little, but don't worry about that, no more than one second should do it.

The capacitor is in a closed loop with the rotor/armature winding, when the capacitor is charged, it should remain so, unless for some reason it becomes discharged of course, which it can do if one of its cables gets wet or earths out. Simply put: When you start the generator, the small voltage across the capacitor is sufficient to generate a magnetic field in the armature winding which it is connected to, which it rotates, it induces a field in the stator (main) winding, this is turn induces a larger magnetic field in the armature, and so on until the main winding reaches its maximum voltage output 220-240Vac.

What worries me is, if water has penetrated the winding casing, then you may have shorted-out the main winding which could have burned out. Lets hope that's not the case, but if so, I can tell you how you can remove the stator/main winding without taking the entire generator/motor unit out. Wish I knew that before my one went....!

Anyway, try re-energising the capacitor first, leaving the wires connected to it polarity is not important as its a closed loop, if you're not confident, please have an electrician do it, or at least have someone with you just in case.

Do take care, but it is a very simple thing to do and the 6kVA really is a simple and very reliable generator.

Best of luck.
 
Thanks John, just seen and responded to that. It was a 'fun' holiday as outlined in my PM. Spent most of the two weeks servicing engines and repairing stuff that decided to fail (this being only but one). I'll try this when I next get up to the old tub.
Cheers.
Dave

Hi Dave, I just replied to your PM but for the benefit of others that have this type of generator:

Yes, the capacitor is the one in the box that sits on top of the generator housing.

Assuming you have not tripped the mains isolator/MCB off, that normally sits close to the generator and isolates the 240v supply from the generator, then hopefully the capacitor has just lost its charge.

You are correct, there is no AVR on the 6kVA it is self exciting.

With the generator not running, you just need to flash 12Vdc across the capacitor, it will spark a little, but don't worry about that, no more than one second should do it.

The capacitor is in a closed loop with the rotor/armature winding, when the capacitor is charged, it should remain so, unless for some reason it becomes discharged of course, which it can do if one of its cables gets wet or earths out. Simply put: When you start the generator, the small voltage across the capacitor is sufficient to generate a magnetic field in the armature winding which it is connected to, which it rotates, it induces a field in the stator (main) winding, this is turn induces a larger magnetic field in the armature, and so on until the main winding reaches its maximum voltage output 220-240Vac.

What worries me is, if water has penetrated the winding casing, then you may have shorted-out the main winding which could have burned out. Lets hope that's not the case, but if so, I can tell you how you can remove the stator/main winding without taking the entire generator/motor unit out. Wish I knew that before my one went....!

Anyway, try re-energising the capacitor first, leaving the wires connected to it polarity is not important as its a closed loop, if you're not confident, please have an electrician do it, or at least have someone with you just in case.

Do take care, but it is a very simple thing to do and the 6kVA really is a simple and very reliable generator.

Best of luck.
 
Hello guys, I'm new in this forum and I greet everyone.
I recently purcahsed a used HFL 3,5 KVA marine Generator and I'm desperately looking for a user manual and a circuit diagram. The generator looks like a VTE Paguro 3000 or 4000 but the control panel is quite old. The genny is functioning well, it started and ran fine when the seller showed it to me. For the installation I will follow the instructions in the Paguro manual but I would like to have some reference material for the HFL specifics, as I seem to understand that their affiliate in the UK (meanwhile ceased) customised the electrical part which is supposedly simpler than the VTE's Generators. I did contact HLF in Hattingen, Germany. The majority of documents went lost when they closed down their UK affiliate, so I'm making little progress there.
Thanks in advance for any kind of help.
 
Hello guys, I'm new in this forum and I greet everyone.
I recently purcahsed a used HFL 3,5 KVA marine Generator and I'm desperately looking for a user manual and a circuit diagram. The generator looks like a VTE Paguro 3000 or 4000 but the control panel is quite old. The genny is functioning well, it started and ran fine when the seller showed it to me. For the installation I will follow the instructions in the Paguro manual but I would like to have some reference material for the HFL specifics, as I seem to understand that their affiliate in the UK (meanwhile ceased) customised the electrical part which is supposedly simpler than the VTE's Generators. I did contact HLF in Hattingen, Germany. The majority of documents went lost when they closed down their UK affiliate, so I'm making little progress there.
Thanks in advance for any kind of help.
Lots of the 3.5kva gennys are rebadged Paguro, using a VTE alternator with a Farymann engine. I expect your HFL may be similar.

I have manuals for the Mastervolt Whisper version and the Farymann engines. If you need parts for the Engine then Mitcham Diesels and for the controls parts Advanced Yacht Systems in Romsey.

I had to replace the blister control panel fascia on my last boat which was a Mastervolt Whisper. Mastervolt wanted £350, Identical panel with Westerbeke logo £15 ! I won't ever be buying anything Mastervolt because I don't like dealing with companies who rip people off.

PM me if you would like the manuals.
 
Hi everyone, sorry to bother you and open such an old thread but you seem to be the only one with a manual for the HFL generator ?

Ours stopped making power (220v) while running , one minute it was fine and while the diesel was running it stopped making 220v

I measured on the generator but but it has no output and none of the breakers were tripped and I feel one of the electronic components is defective , with the manual / schematics in hand I can troubleshoot down to the defective component and fix it , this happened without turning it off or anything so I doubt its the capacitor ? (or could it still be the capacitor needing to be flashed ?)

Rgds
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SV Blue Pearl
 
Had an HFL on my Fairline when I bought it. It was fitted from new but was a complete pain in the arse from the beginning.

Do you know which model yours is? The old ones were fairly robust things with no electronics as such. It took a long time to identify mine, even with Manfr part nos. So many variants.

When you say you’ve checked the generator, I’m guessing you’ve checked at the final output? Can you dismantle enough to check at the windings?


Hi everyone, sorry to bother you and open such an old thread but you seem to be the only one with a manual for the HFL generator ?

Ours stopped making power (220v) while running , one minute it was fine and while the diesel was running it stopped making 220v

I measured on the generator but but it has no output and none of the breakers were tripped and I feel one of the electronic components is defective , with the manual / schematics in hand I can troubleshoot down to the defective component and fix it , this happened without turning it off or anything so I doubt its the capacitor ? (or could it still be the capacitor needing to be flashed ?)

Rgds
R
SV Blue Pearl
 
When you say you’ve checked the generator, I’m guessing you’ve checked at the final output? Can you dismantle enough to check at the windings?

I have checked where 220/230 volt should be coming out , but no output there
I have not checked the windings or anything

the model is a HFL H2W6MIC 6kW Generator , without any electronics .

after digging a bit further it seems the generator part is a Markom BL105 , http://www.hardydiesel.com/generator-ends/dl/markon-generator-manual.pdf

no 'advanced' electronics , just some diodes and a 40mfd cap , but I am digging a bit further (or would like confirmation) that this is indeed the correct manual

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ok, I just took the capacitor out , measured it and no internal resistance
when I tried to charge it with a 9 volt battery , the battery got hot

R.I.P 35mfd/440v capacitor

now trying to source a new cap locally (Mallorca) or have one sent out .. what a pain
 
ok, I just took the capacitor out , measured it and no internal resistance
when I tried to charge it with a 9 volt battery , the battery got hot

R.I.P 35mfd/440v capacitor

now trying to source a new cap locally (Mallorca) or have one sent out .. what a pain
Try the local washing machine repairer or fridge man. 35mfd is a common motor start capacitor size. 440v is the max working voltage and must be above the peak supply voltage, not the more commonly stated RMS value. Assuming 230v RMS, the peak will be ~320v, so with a 440v cap there is plenty of spare voltage range left.

Also bear in mind caps typically have a working tolerance of ~25%, so worth trying anything from 25 - 50 mfd. You can add cap values by connecting two or more in parallel, e.g. a 15 + 20.
 
PM Me your email address. I completely stripped-down and re-built a HFL 6kVA and had the stator re-wound last year.

After a LOT of trouble I eventually managed to track down a manual which will find invaluable. I can scan and email it.

Basically, once started the control circuit monitors the oil pressure and a temp switch and if one activates, the fuel pump relay drops out and the engine will stop. I have all the schematics with some of my notes on them.
PM Me your email address. I completely stripped-down and re-built a HFL 6kVA and had the stator re-wound last year.

After a LOT of trouble I eventually managed to track down a manual which will find invaluable. I can scan and email it.

Basically, once started the control circuit monitors the oil pressure and a temp switch and if one activates, the fuel pump relay drops out and the engine will stop. I have all the schematics with some of my notes on them.

Evening John100156
A friend of mine has just purchased a narrow boat from Devizes and has the same generator as on this post he thinks rayed st 7kva He also has the same problems
PM Me your email address. I completely stripped-down and re-built a HFL 6kVA and had the stator re-wound last year.

After a LOT of trouble I eventually managed to track down a manual which will find invaluable. I can scan and email it.

Basically, once started the control circuit monitors the oil pressure and a temp switch and if one activates, the fuel pump relay drops out and the engine will stop. I have all the schematics with some of my notes on them.

Evening John100156
Hope I’m not breaking any rules containing you in this way. New member!
A friend of mine has just purchased a narrow boat presently on The Kennett Avon canal
He has the same problem with a 7kva generator as discussed on this thread. I wonder if you could help with a copy of the manual?
 
Hi Just seen it and responded - if you PM me your email address I will send you a link to my Dropbox and you can download the manuals - happy to help out it took me quite some time to get hold of the manuals before I rebuilt and rewound my HFL 6kVA Genny on my last boat.
 
Hi Just seen it and responded - if you PM me your email address I will send you a link to my Dropbox and you can download the manuals - happy to help out it took me quite some time to get hold of the manuals before I rebuilt and rewound my HFL 6kVA Genny on my last boat.

Hi

how do I send a PM as I cannot see any option to do this.
 
I sent manuals through to Boatingdave: PM me your email address and I will forward them to you - it was a real pain to obtain the info but now I have it, and have completely stripped down and re-built my one I'm happy to help. I also have the manual on the Mitsy engine that drives it.

It really is very easy, just leave the capacitor connected to the winding then flash 12 vdc across it (+ve to one side of the capacitor and -ve to the other). That will provide a small voltage to the excite the coil its connected to, its a closed circuit so the charge holds in future unless the capacitor for some reason discharges. Literally just flash the -ve and +ve.

Always take care when working with capacitors as they can hold a powerful charge. If in any doubt of your own abilities then do have an electrician familiar with this type of equipment undertake the exercise for you.

Hey John - I have been desperate to get my hands on a manual, I have a 4KVA HFL and cannot find any documentation to save my life. Any chance you could send what you have? Thank you 1000x in advance! - Nick
 
PM Me your email address. I completely stripped-down and re-built a HFL 6kVA and had the stator re-wound last year.

After a LOT of trouble I eventually managed to track down a manual which will find invaluable. I can scan and email it.

Basically, once started the control circuit monitors the oil pressure and a temp switch and if one activates, the fuel pump relay drops out and the engine will stop. I have all the schematics with some of my notes on them.
Hello John,

I have one of these generators in my 1992 Corvette 320 and having similar issues. The generator alarm cuts in and stops underload as the generator gets hot. I have been trying to find parts online with difficulty and a manual so if you wouldn’t mind sending me your manual I would appreciate it so much.
Thanks again Justin
 
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