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Here\'s an interesting one!

We are looking for one additional crew to join a voyage from Panama to Chile. The boat is a new Beneteau 57, fully equipped and ready to go. Join date is June 27th and you should allow 4-5 weeks for the trip via Galapagos. Offshore experience is required, and Spanish would be an advantage.

The issue here will be travel expense, which we can contribute to, but probably not cover. Please feel free to ask questions
 
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Oh dear,

seems as if another commercial enterprize is in action.
I think some of your previous posts have been pulled as well as the herbert from adventure pinkwarter sailing ( or whatever he called himself) posts were pulled.
Recruiting crews on the cheap, on this forum, clearly for commercial financial gain should be prevented.

I pay crew that I use on delivery trips, a fair daily rate and expenses, wether they are experienced or not.
 
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Oh dear indeed! You take inexperienced crew ... and then you pay them. Perhaps this is why you don't qualify as a commercial enterprise and need to scour forums looking for work.
There is no mention of renumeration on my post, but you choose to make an assumption. I don't know what the other stuff you're talking about is, but I made 3 posts on YBW and none have been deleted. I don't need to pretend to be anyone else because I'm comfortable with what I'm doing ... offering sailing experience to people who don't want to pay extortionate rates to a crew agency. Go away!
 
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Is it expensive having your sewerage tank pumped out in the Galapagos Islands?
 
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No sir I will not go away!

The crew I use are either semi professional,or exerienced boat owners. I do not expect crew to be employed on, some times arduos , passages without renumeration.
I am not a commercial enterprize because I choose not to be, and pot and kettle springs to mind here, I do not trawl through forums looking for work, because I dont need to, you,I presume are a commercial enterprize who trawls through the forums looking for work and crew are you not?

I am certain the moderators pulled you last post as I cannot see it anywhere.
 
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I wish I managed to get as much interest in my non-commercial postings offering to crew!

Certainly, these types of postings seems to light the blue touchpaper and get the discussions going!
 
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Thanks NW sailor, you're right ... i've seen delivery skippers get crucified on this forum before. Not quite sure what this guys gripe is, given that he has no information regarding the renumeration for this trip, and has not even asked. He clearly states that he uses and pays crew wether (sic) experienced or not ... then denies it. He says he's not commercial, but surely isn't expecting us to believe he does it for nothing while paying these dubious crew. Check 'commercial' in the dictionary mate. The quality of his punctuation and spelling probably says it all. Oops, better be careful with mine now!
The alternative for hooking good people up with interesting sailing seems to be via a website that the crew have to pay to join. The forum seems fairer to crew and is therefore is my preference. However, a trip from Panama to Chile at this tme of year is no milk run and crew selection is a serious issue.

Now let's all chear up and enjoy the sunshine!
 
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I do not run a commercial organization as I stated before,because I have no wish to. I am a part time delivery skipper who charges a day rate for delivering boats as and when. I in turn pay the crew who accompanies me because I charge for them as well.
I hav'nt said that I don't charge for my services I am not stupid. Do not insult me with regards my spelling, Do not send me private messages telling me to go away. I do not use this forum to recruit crew, as I have a pool of crew that I can all on. With regards to your comment about crew renumeration, I would say it is a clear cut assumption that as you are only prepared to help towards the travel expenses, you are expecting to get the services of crew for free. I browse this forum on the off chance there is something for me, no other reason.
You state that a passage from Panama to Chile is no milk run. I totally agree. Yet you are prepared to take on crew you know nothing about and send them off. Yes thats a good plan.
My gripe is that A) This is supposed to be a non commercial forum, you use it for commercial purposes.B) you carp on about giving people the opportunity to gain experience for free, a gallant gesture I am sure but are you telling me that you do not charge for the services of these crew?

As a foot note to your comment on my spelling, lets all "chear" up and enjoy the sunshine, should that be "cheer up"?
If you are a bonafide Commercial operation why is there no Land line telephone number or address on your website
 
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Ah, but that's the point .... I'm not telling you anything. You are just assuming it all, then heading off on a rant. Let's agree to disagree on the stupidity issue: If you charge for your services, then you are commercial. Get off the forum.
Getting bored with this now ... not only are you illiterate, but you don't understand eyerony. Can't somebody shut this post down and MAKE him go away?
 
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Ah, now I see. Have just checked your posts history Bridgid Mary. You really do have a gripe don't you? So much anger ... so much vitriol .... so much bitterness ...
 
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So, you have chosen to go down the personal insult road. Thats fair enough, I can take it, BUT I have no further wish to pursue the matter with someone who resorts to malice, talk about vitroil!!
 
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That'll be 'vitriol' you mean ... or are we talking lubricants? ....or have you got the hang of irony at last!
No problem if you wish to persue it. Anyone reading this and your other posts will get the picture.
 
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Agree wholeheartedly with NWSAILOR lets stop argueing and just communicate in a reasonable manner and let poor people who cant afford to pay the earth to join crewing websites that seem to want to know everything from inside leg favorite colour undies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have a chance at a bit of crewing!
 
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Thank you Algernon ... some much needed reason at last. The idea of this forum is to connect people to boats and get them sailing. It's a shame for anyone to try and prevent that. It beats trawling the marinas as we used to have to do. Hopefully we're all involved because we love sailing.
 
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Not wishing to fuel the fire but there is a legitimate question that appears in these is it/isn't it commercial discussions regards liability and insurance of inexperienced crew left on watch. On my own boat I'm pretty clear the liability lies with me, but then I don't ask friends who sail with me to fill out and sign forms regards their level of experience etc, as one of the previous posters did once contacted.
 
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I thought this particular fire had gone out, but of course these are important points. My feeling is that it's the skippers responsibility (and of course in his interest) to fully check the credentials of crew. My understanding is that if crew are paid, then they would be more open to being held liable than if they were not paid. Bridgid Mary might want to check that out ... or is it a ploy to protect the captain and dump the crew in it?! It's a grey and murky area that is probably best avoided. Best senario of course it to ensure that there is full crew indemnity cover in place as part of the boats insurance. Again, anyone accepting money to move a boat is commercial, so this ongoing forum battle between odd-job guys, full-time skippers and delivery companies seems irrelevant. To turn an honest and open post for crew into some kind of moral / legal battleground will do the forum no good.
 
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Frankly I'm shocked and stunned at the nature of this post and woundn't really want to sail with either of the two main posters judging by the inability to deal calmy with an alternative point of view, both have been unnecassarily offensive to one and other. I feel compeled to say though that (not withstanding any legal issues) being given prehaps a once in a lifetime opportunity to sail the oceans of the world can only be a good thing even if it does involve a fee, many would pay hansomly to do just that. Chill out chaps!!
 
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