Here come the Range Rovers.....

Motor vehicle salvage is big business although I'd guess most were LHD, they will sell easy abroad. Some are only panel damage so easily repaired at the right approved repairer no reason to be written off.
The plant equipment should need more than a jet wash and a touch up, let's face it there designed to work in all conditions and at all angles from horizontal.
 
Surely this accident will be subject to an insurance claim and therefore the vehicles will become the property of the insurance company in which case they'll end up on internet auction sites eventually. I can't believe that they'll go back to the manufacturers, be repaired and then shipped out again to wherever they were headed in the first place. IMHO there's no way that dealers or their customers will accept any of these vehicles as new. Even if they are undamaged, they've spent the last few weeks sitting in a salty humid environment and will have deteriorated as a result. Yup could be some cheap LHD RRs finding their way onto Ebay soon!
 
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Surely this accident will be subject to an insurance claim and therefore the vehicles will become the property of the insurance company in which case they'll end up on internet auction sites eventually. I can't believe that they'll go back to the manufacturers, be repaired and then shipped out again to wherever they were headed in the first place. IMHO there's no way that dealers or their customers will accept any of these vehicles as new. Even if they are undamaged, they've spent the last few weeks sitting in a salty humid environment and will have deteriorated as a result. Yup could be some cheap LHD RRs finding their way onto Ebay soon!
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They'd have surely spend a few weeks sitting in a salty, humid environment anyway on route to Singapore or wherever they were going? Would agree on the insurance though - although there's often a bit of horse trading with these things... I'd buy one if cheap enough, but as my Rangie's only worth a couple of grand they're still 10x my budget even as salvage! :ambivalence:
 
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Surely this accident will be subject to an insurance claim and therefore the vehicles will become the property of the insurance company in which case they'll end up on internet auction sites eventually. I can't believe that they'll go back to the manufacturers, be repaired and then shipped out again to wherever they were headed in the first place. IMHO there's no way that dealers or their customers will accept any of these vehicles as new. Even if they are undamaged, they've spent the last few weeks sitting in a salty humid environment and will have deteriorated as a result. Yup could be some cheap LHD RRs finding their way onto Ebay soon!
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In the almost identical Cougar Ace case the manufacturer insisted that all vehicles were scrapped as they weren't prepared to risk the potential warranty liability from affected cars filtering into the market place.

I mean, if you were a manufacturer who had suffered such a loss at the hands of a third party, why would you be prepared for them to mitigate their loss through selling the goods whilst you are potentially liable for their quality further down the line? I'd rather the insurance company paid in full for the loss and scrappage of the goods, and the cost of manufacturing replacements of merchantable quality.
 
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Any warranty would surely be void in the event of an insurance write off anyway?
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So who's going to buy it without a warranty? And at what price?

Why would Land Rover want to allow 1400 vehicles to be sold into the market place without warranty and at a rock bottom price (to account for it), rather than pushing the insurance company for a proper settlement for something that wasn't their fault?! :-)
 
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powerboats said:
So who's going to buy it without a warranty? And at what price?

Why would Land Rover want to allow 1400 vehicles to be sold into the market place without warranty and at a rock bottom price (to account for it), rather than pushing the insurance company for a proper settlement for something that wasn't their fault?! :-)
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Parts salvage, limited 3rd party warranty? I'm the first to admit that I'm no expert in this field, but other vehicles that are insurance write offs find their way back into the marketplace don't they. If the insurer pays out the full price and thereby owns the damaged stock then surely they can do with it what they want? I'd have thought that only by a partial payout or some horse-trading would the original owner be in a position to bargain on what happens to the goods?
 
A while ago when I was involved in shipping Ford used to self insure or had limited captive insurances, I dare say that gives a different outlook.
 
A few years ago there was a severe hail storm in the Midlands -size of golf balls .
Next morning at a BMW distribution dept approx 1000 cars with multiple dents plus glass damage .
They recruited as many PDR ( painless dent removal ) guys + autoglass guys to " make good " -vehicles continued after delays to the dealer network and the customers we're none the wiser.
I guess they would have been insured too but suspect a deal was done .
The none emerged stuff with panal damage IMHO will end up in the dealer network allbeit a LHD market -just my 0.02 p worth .
 
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These will probably now be direct sales from JLR, not through dealers, thus will make a better margin than sales through dealers. They sell probably 4 or 500 development cars a year, and make a super margin. Anyone know the history of these cars?
 
Still peddling this 'deliberately grounded' line, interesting for a rudder completely out of the water and hard to stbd for a vessel that had violaently swung to port after the severe stbd list.

Note most of the cars have side dents, presumably where they slid gently one into the next. No suggestion their weight high up sliding was possibly the 'free surface' effect that pulled the thing over in the first place, indeed they actually praise the loadmasters.

The MAIB report will make intersting reading. Shame they can't act like the subs returning to HMS Dolphin at night with tarpaulins over the 'dents' by sunrise.
 
Nobody on here has mentioned the Salvors (Svitzer) yet - and they are going to be looking for a fairly hefty salvage claim.

Some years ago I was involved in cargo surveys on a ship at anchor in Trinidad - her main engine had broken down while on passage from the USA to West Africa with very expensive oil field equipment on board, and a Smit salvage tug was sent out to tow her to Trinidad as this was the nearest place of safe refuge.
The cargo was break bulk - all sorts of different types of drilling kit and equipment, with a long list of Owners of the different cargoes on the vessel.
The Owners (Charterers? ) were faced with a very hefty salvage claim from Smit, so they declared 'General Average'.
This was probably a clever wheeze on their part at the time - basically this meant that all of the different Owners of the cargo being shipped had to 'chip in' a proportion of the salvage fee (based on the value of their cargo) and the costs of trans-shipping their cargo to another vessel, otherwise they could say good-bye to their very expensive goods.

I am wondering if perhaps the same sort of situation might apply here, where Hoegh declare General Average, and the owners (or Insurers) of the vehicles all have to chip in to the cost of the salvage?

This is what Wiki has to say about General Average - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_average

And if anybody is VERY keen on bedtime reading about this fascinating subject, here is a 68 page guide to it - https://www.ctplc.com/media/72233/A-Guide-to-General-Average.pdf
 
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Still peddling this 'deliberately grounded' line, interesting for a rudder completely out of the water and hard to stbd for a vessel that had violaently swung to port after the severe stbd list.

Note most of the cars have side dents, presumably where they slid gently one into the next. No suggestion their weight high up sliding was possibly the 'free surface' effect that pulled the thing over in the first place, indeed they actually praise the loadmasters.

The MAIB report will make intersting reading. Shame they can't act like the subs returning to HMS Dolphin at night with tarpaulins over the 'dents' by sunrise.
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one boat, Finwhale iirc, went straight round the back of fountain lake jetty into the floating dock and both ends of the dock was curtained using tarps so no one could see/photograph the damage.
 
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