Help with next boat 38-40ft Targa 38 or 40? or something else?

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Hi Mike

Iirc the LOA on the T40 is 12.6m. However, the main reason for not turning the T40 into a T41 is resale; that's the same reason why I didn't rip the entire sofa out of the saloon and build a new one with square corners. Replacing the stairs was a no-brainer, the factory design is terrible.

If you're referring my berth for next year, I should be ok cos it's a 14x3.8; clearly plenty of room for length, and my beam is 3.62m, which plus 3% is 3.72m. Plus apparently there was a T40 on there last summer so I should be ok.

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Jimmy

Doh
I should have done some quick mental arithmetic before I’d posted instead of just relying on the LOA figures form theyachtmarket.com :mad:

Sorry for missleading

What I _really_ want is a T40 with a hydraulic platform - then I can recreate that brochure moment that I enjoyed with Nick on Warlock's platform last spring - sitting on a chair, beer in hand, on the platform, two inches into the water, anchored between the islands. Truly lovely.

Yes - I remember it well
(there's a song for you as well)

In fact we stayed on after you had all gone - overnight in fact.
Well until 04:00 - it blew up 25/30 knots so we went back to Antibes - arriving at 05:00 - in time to go back to bed.
All prety laid back stuff though - no panic
Always good to do these things BEFORE they become an issue.

That particular incident underlined a discipline that I use all the time now.
At anchor, ALWAYS get the boat ready to leave BEFORE you go to bed.
In our case it often means putting the dinghy back on the FB.
In that case in France we had just had a particularly large supper as well so it meant doing the washing up and clearing the galley before bed. All this definately paid off when we had to leave quickly. And those lovely islands have an unlit marked channel to negotiate in the dark.

Sorry for the drift
 

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The steps are a relatively straightforward mod. The factory design is four steps; the top two are a single hinged unit which conceals a bin that is impossible to use because the steps don't lift up enough. This unit unscrews easily; the next step is a bit trickier and needs some boat surgery to get it out, but it's all put-backable (the removed steps are wrapped in bubble wrap and are up in my loft, ready to go back into the boat when I sell it). The bottom step is part of the saloon floor moulding and can't be changed.

I know what you mean about the side decks, but in practice it's ok. It's also easy to step from the cockpit over the windscreen on to the side decks when the side covers are out.

Bathing platform - yes, it's generally fine, although it would be lovely if it was a foot longer I guess. Interestingly this would probably be quite an easy mod, if you had the ambition to do this, because it's a separate moulding. You'd need to alter the runners for the dinghy launch, but that's not terribly difficult. The only time the platform feels small is when the garage door is open - the bottom edge of the opened garage door creates a head-banging hazard, but the platform's not big enough to step easily away from it without looking carefully where your feet are.

Hmm. I think I need to call Osmotech and find out how much it would cost to do this :D

Cheers
Jimmy

Hi JTB

Have a look at these side by side 38s and 40s I was looking at over the weekend. See what I mean about the profile of the 38 and the useable bathing platform.

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Hi JTB

Have a look at these side by side 38s and 40s I was looking at over the weekend. See what I mean about the profile of the 38 and the useable bathing platform.

For sure the T38 has a huge bathing platform compared to the T40. But for me that's not the real difference - the T40 has a garage, the T38 doesn't. So it depends if you want a garage (and the stern sunpad that goes with it) or a bigger cockpit/bigger bathing platform/no garage. I've always assumed that the arch is higher on the T40 because of the sunpad; the benefit of the generally higher arch and covers is that you don't catch your head on the bimini frame when standing at the helm (this used to bug me on my T37, and it was also an issue on the previous model V42's for me).

I guess it also depends on whether or not you're going to carry a tender, and whether or not you need a factory-fit passerelle. If you are, then that bathing platform is necessarily going to be filled up with dinghy, and when it's not, you still have the head-banging hazard of the passerelle.

I don't think one boat is better or worse than the other, I think it's just a choice based on how you use the boat. If you like to sit about with company, then maybe the T38. If there's fewer of you and you want to lie in the sun, then maybe the T40. If you want to do both _and_ have a big platform, then maybe it's a Squadron 78 :D.

Cheers
Jimmy
 

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If you are looking for the 40 Targa, and like the sunbed garage arrangement I would also have a look at the Atlantis 42.
I think the 40 Targa against the 38, should also have a slightly longer saloon and galley. Am not so sure cause the last time I boarded a 40 was ages ago. The 38 aft cabin is a bit bigger. Some finshing details see railings and cleats are also more luxurious, and fitting outside on the 38.

What is defintly better is the hull of the 40 Targa. Amazing hull especially if well powered. I would avoid the 260hp models, but KAD300 upwards should do.
 

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For sure the T38 has a huge bathing platform compared to the T40. But for me that's not the real difference - the T40 has a garage, the T38 doesn't. So it depends if you want a garage (and the stern sunpad that goes with it) or a bigger cockpit/bigger bathing platform/no garage. I've always assumed that the arch is higher on the T40 because of the sunpad; the benefit of the generally higher arch and covers is that you don't catch your head on the bimini frame when standing at the helm (this used to bug me on my T37, and it was also an issue on the previous model V42's for me).

I guess it also depends on whether or not you're going to carry a tender, and whether or not you need a factory-fit passerelle. If you are, then that bathing platform is necessarily going to be filled up with dinghy, and when it's not, you still have the head-banging hazard of the passerelle.

I don't think one boat is better or worse than the other, I think it's just a choice based on how you use the boat. If you like to sit about with company, then maybe the T38. If there's fewer of you and you want to lie in the sun, then maybe the T40. If you want to do both _and_ have a big platform, then maybe it's a Squadron 78 :D.

Cheers
Jimmy

Not saying one is better than the other, just trying to work out how people use theirs and which one would most likely work for me. I hadn't thought about the problem of head banging on the passerelle without the dinghy. That would be a probelm. Do you really use the sun bed on the back of the 40 though? It doesn't look big enough to be conmfortable. I do now understand why the arch is higher, this makes better sense than the lower arch on the 38.
 

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Not saying one is better than the other, just trying to work out how people use theirs and which one would most likely work for me. I hadn't thought about the problem of head banging on the passerelle without the dinghy. That would be a probelm. Do you really use the sun bed on the back of the 40 though? It doesn't look big enough to be conmfortable. I do now understand why the arch is higher, this makes better sense than the lower arch on the 38.

My V40 has a sunpad, no garage and a good sized bathing platform. Initially not my favoured layout having a sunpad as I'd rather have had the 'normal' layout but now I've had the use for a season we think it's brilliant.
So easy for anyone just to lie down and chill out at anchor, or especially for the children to lie on when we're under way....thoroughly recommended.
 

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Do you really use the sun bed on the back of the 40 though? It doesn't look big enough to be conmfortable.

Yep; the backrest of the stern-most cockpit seating (ie the seating at the cockpit table, facing forward) is hinged, so it folds forward so that the back of that backrest becomes a headrest, and the sunpad is then extended by the depth of the cockpit seating plus this headrest. Bit hard to explain - but in practice what it means is a fat six-foot-plus construction operative can stretch out in comfort.

The biggest bar to the useability of the sunpad on the T40 is just that the oe foam is too hard - I'm just about to change mine over to something a bit more comfortable.

Cheers
Jimmy
 

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