HELP! Suzuki DF70 runs down and stops after running 30 minutes +

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Good afternoon Gents.

My Suzuki DF70 will always start first turn then run perfectly for up to an hour before running down and stopping. Pumping the bulb gets it going again for up to ten minutes, still starting first turn, then it does it again. This can be done repeatedly. Coming back from a recent trip my mate sat in the stern and pumped the bulb when the engine started to falter. Every time, the engine picked up again for five minutes or so before needing the bulb pumped again. We did this for about four-five miles. This motor is running perfectly as long as it's got fuel.

The high pressure fuel pump and both filters were replaced in November and there are no fuel line leaks. Air is not getting into the lines or the system anywhere. I replaced the mechanical low pressure pump this weekend and the problem persists.

This problem is recent and coincides with hot weather. Research shows that this is not unknown. Apparently It can be caused by temperature related fuel vapourisation in the lines forcing the fuel back towards the tank or simple vapour locks. The new mechanical low pressure fuel pump's check valves (non return) are OK so the problem should not be between this and the High pressure pump. Unwisely, I think, this is a short hose across the top of the motor. I've re-routed it so it follows the side of the motor next to the inlet mnanifold. It should run cooler. I took the thermostat out to get more cooling water around the motor but 'no joy'. I've fitted a non-return valve in the line near the union of the fuel tank to the motor to try and stop the fuel flow reversing but this has also failed. After the motor failed when testing all of these potential solutions on muffs it still starts first turn of the key after the bulb is pumped.

I can't see that it's anything other than fuel starvation and my next step is to fit an inline electric fuel pump near the tank to simulate pumping the bulb before I give in and tow it to the Suzuki dealer. This has worked for a number of people in the past and was actually recommended by Suzuki. Problem is there's no information I can find about what Psi this pump should deliver. I don't want to overstress the lines and unions leading to dangerous fuel leaks in the engine. The options seem to be 1.5 to 4, 4 to 7 or 7 to 11 Psi.

Please, can anybody advise me on a safe maximum Psi level for this pump? I need to avoid it being too low as that will mean buying a second pump and a good one is not cheap!
 
Good afternoon Gents.

My Suzuki DF70 will always start first turn then run perfectly for up to an hour before running down and stopping. Pumping the bulb gets it going again for up to ten minutes, still starting first turn, then it does it again. This can be done repeatedly.


A very likely cause is air being drawn into the fuel system somewhere between the tank and the pump. Prime suspects are the fuel line connectors

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It sounds like a vacuum being developed in the fuel tank due to a blocked vent. Unscrew the cap when the engine stops and listen for the vacuum being dissipated or just leave the cap cracked open.

Richard
Thanks Richard. I've done that. the tank vent and cap were looked at first. It still happens when I leave the cap off altogether.
 
Good afternoon Gents.

My Suzuki DF70 will always start first turn then run perfectly for up to an hour before running down and stopping. Pumping the bulb gets it going again for up to ten minutes, still starting first turn, then it does it again. This can be done repeatedly. Coming back from a recent trip my mate sat in the stern and pumped the bulb when the engine started to falter. Every time, the engine picked up again for five minutes or so before needing the bulb pumped again. We did this for about four-five miles. This motor is running perfectly as long as it's got fuel.

The high pressure fuel pump and both filters were replaced in November and there are no fuel line leaks. Air is not getting into the lines or the system anywhere. I replaced the mechanical low pressure pump this weekend and the problem persists.

This problem is recent and coincides with hot weather. Research shows that this is not unknown. Apparently It can be caused by temperature related fuel vapourisation in the lines forcing the fuel back towards the tank or simple vapour locks. The new mechanical low pressure fuel pump's check valves (non return) are OK so the problem should not be between this and the High pressure pump. Unwisely, I think, this is a short hose across the top of the motor. I've re-routed it so it follows the side of the motor next to the inlet mnanifold. It should run cooler. I took the thermostat out to get more cooling water around the motor but 'no joy'. I've fitted a non-return valve in the line near the union of the fuel tank to the motor to try and stop the fuel flow reversing but this has also failed. After the motor failed when testing all of these potential solutions on muffs it still starts first turn of the key after the bulb is pumped.

I can't see that it's anything other than fuel starvation and my next step is to fit an inline electric fuel pump near the tank to simulate pumping the bulb before I give in and tow it to the Suzuki dealer. This has worked for a number of people in the past and was actually recommended by Suzuki. Problem is there's no information I can find about what Psi this pump should deliver. I don't want to overstress the lines and unions leading to dangerous fuel leaks in the engine. The options seem to be 1.5 to 4, 4 to 7 or 7 to 11 Psi.

Please, can anybody advise me on a safe maximum Psi level for this pump? I need to avoid it being too low as that will mean buying a second pump and a good one is not cheap!
Try wrapping any fuel lines under the cowling with several layers of baking foil. If you can do the same around the pump and injection parts to separate them from the hear source so much the better. It's a pretty good insulator, used on jet engines for the same reason and worked on a car I had that had a reputation for vapour locking.
 
Try wrapping any fuel lines under the cowling with several layers of baking foil. If you can do the same around the pump and injection parts to separate them from the hear source so much the better. It's a pretty good insulator, used on jet engines for the same reason and worked on a car I had that had a reputation for vapour locking.
Thanks. I'll try that.
 
How did you pressure test your lines? We had exactly the same problem last season and were convinced our lines were good. Over the winter i took the lines home, sealed one end and attached a bike tyre valve and pump to the other. Sure enough there was a tiny tiny leak from one of the connections. Sorted the leak and it has been perfect ever since which includes three six hour trips due to no wind.
 
How did you pressure test your lines? We had exactly the same problem last season and were convinced our lines were good. Over the winter i took the lines home, sealed one end and attached a bike tyre valve and pump to the other. Sure enough there was a tiny tiny leak from one of the connections. Sorted the leak and it has been perfect ever since which includes three six hour trips due to no wind.
Sorry for the late reply. Took them off, sealed one end, filled 'em with water and attached them to the club compressor. No leaks. Eventually solved the problem by running the motor on muffs with a large office fan blowing on it for three hours. Didn't stall. This proved it was a temperature problem. Fitted a cooling fan in the lower side cover wired to the T&T feed and the problem hasn't occurred since.
 
I had a similar problem with a brand new engine, dying after 20 minutes or so. After trying everything for about a day, and thoroughly losing his temper, the company engineer fitting the engine decided to insert a small fuel pump. It is labelled EP-501-0, Chinese made, produces 3-5 PSI, cost about a tenner. (The wiring to the ignition was a bit complicated though). With this the engine ran perfectly.

However after the engineer left I double checked everything and found a tiny air leak he had missed. After this was sorted I took a chance and removed the pump, and the engine has worked perfectly without it for the last three years.

As it happens, I came across the pump yesterday and was wondering if someone might have a use for it! But I see you have now solved your problem - well done.
 

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