Help locating a 20 meter live-aboard trawler / mobo.

MapisM said:
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Just look, in the pic below, at the space
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Yup, agreed, fair enough, I think I was mistaken and that there is more space than I said (apologies to Messrs Hatteras!). I think your pic above MapisM shows that there is a corridor outboard of the engines as wide as the diameter of the glendinning drum

There's still no aft deck unfortunately on this boat. There is a version of Hatteras mid 60s feet/low 70s feet that does have a nice big aft deck, because I have one as my neighbour in Antibes. OP might want to look for one of those
 
Good thought mike. There is an elegance 65 just fresh on the market last week in Antibes. Contact broker Bart van den Heuvel in La Napoule (googlable). It is in very good nick due to light use and still in the hands of its first owner since brand new, until he traded it in last week for a bigger boat. I've seen it often since it was new (it was tcm's neighbour :D) and know it hasn't been sunk or anything. Comfortably inside OP's budget yet ready to go. 2002, twin MAN 1300, 650 hours, 4 cabins plus crew cabin. Boat is physically in/near Antibes. Here is a link though Galati is a re-lister and you're better contacting the main guy as above http://www.galatiyachts.com/all-use.../ELEGANCE/65/65-FT/UNKNOWN--FR/details-907135
 
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You used to see a lot of Elegances in Port d'Andratx when Drettman were there and I think they have a rugged feel about them (there was one at SIBS in 2000 I think). But that one you've linked to has a bit of a cramped saloon doesn't it? All looks a bit pokey but great VFM.
 
Yep - I was "just saying". Saloon isn't huge and it gives away some saloon space to the great stairs to the flybridge. Perfectly fine for outside living, and good cabins count for the size of boat. It's in excellent condition because it is genuinely own owner since new and lightly used.
 
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This is a bit of a left field choice but have a look at the Elegance 64. Elegance boats were built by a very large boatbuilder in Taiwan called Horizon Yachts for a German dealer called Drettman for many years until Drettman went bust a couple of years ago (the boats are still built by Horizon but marketed as Horizons now). Because they were mainly sold to German customers, Elegances were built like brick outhouses although a heavy degree of customisation was allowed by the builder so sometimes the style of the interior can be a bit questionable. We looked at two of these Elegance 64s last year and I was quite impressed by the engineering on these boats and the engine room was definitely more spacious and useable than the average 64ft planing boat. The accommodation is designed for Germans so there's plenty of headroom and space to spread out and the domestic equipment, at least on the boats we looked out, was of excellent quality. You could definitely live on one of these boats for extended periods. It is difficult to say whether the hull is an outright planing hull or semi displacement but the owners/dealers we spoke to said that they are designed to cruise at slower speeds ie around 10kts as well as 20kts+. Rumour has it that these are solid sea boats as well. Because Elegances were only sold in relatively small numbers, they're not as well known a brand as some others so whilst asking prices might be in line with the market, I'm told that selling prices are often well below so it may be possible to pick up a mid 2000's model in very good condition for within your budget
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I did look at the Elegance type boats Mike and, as you say, they look well built. I would certainly prefer a walk-round deck than not. However we have lived on similar boats (Squadron 65 for example) and the constant fear of scratching all that high gloss and carrying around tins of spray Wurth did not make it very relaxing for long term live aboard (semi-retirement, office onboard etc.)

That's why I mentioned the 'domestic sized equipment' - i.e. cottage style - get fed up and you can do a refurb every few years with new carpets, new furniture, kitchen appliances, lick of paint etc. If it wasn't for this I could probably get away with a 50' De Valk style displacement boat but I really do not want to to be squeezing into boat shaped beds anymore! I'm getting to old for it. The Hatteras's appeal for this reason, built for US people and appliances - double domestic fridge freezer etc. I'll keep looking but things are clarifying after only 24 hours so keep the thoughts coming please!

Regardless of the rest of the boat (especially the yuk hull colour) - if you look at the loose 'square' furniture in the saloon (in the link) - then I could change that easily each time we wanted to freshen-up the interior - I've done the inbuilt sexy curve stuff and, whist great for short term and holiday stuff, I really want something more practical for long term live aboard (no pianos though).

http://www.galatiyachts.com/used-hatteras-yachts-for-sale-from-60-to-70-feet.html/1994/HATTERAS/COCKPIT-MOTORYACHT/70-FT/STUART/FL/US/details-4778037#photos
 
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drumbeat said:
That's why I mentioned the 'domestic sized equipment' - i.e. cottage style - get fed up and you can do a refurb every few years with new carpets, new furniture, kitchen appliances, lick of paint etc. If it wasn't for this I could probably get away with a 50' De Valk style displacement boat but I really do not want to to be squeezing into boat shaped beds anymore! I'm getting to old for it. The Hatteras's appeal for this reason, built for US people and appliances - double domestic fridge freezer etc. I'll keep looking but things are clarifying after only 24 hours so keep the thoughts coming please!
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Well, if that's your train of thoughts, and if you like the style (which doesn't appeal to many folks this side of the Pond I must say, though I for one am an exception), you will struggle to find anything that can beat an Hatteras.
But I'm with jfm in not liking at all the completely enclosed, practically non-existing, aft deck of that blue hull boat.
In fact, coming to think of it, I never saw another Hatt with such solution, and I wonder what they were thinking.
I mean, being able to fully enclose the aft deck with some covers is one thing, and I can also understand the side doors on walkarounds, but closing it completely/permanently? Urgh!
For a (imho, obviously!) much better Hatt layout, check this out for instance:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1995/Hatteras-67-CMY-One-of-a-Kind-2741689
 
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.......... I'm getting to old for it. The Hatteras's appeal for this reason, built for US people and appliances - double domestic fridge freezer etc. I'll keep looking but things are clarifying after only 24 hours so keep the thoughts coming please!

Regardless of the rest of the boat (especially the yuk hull colour) - if you look at the loose 'square' furniture in the saloon (in the link) - then I could change that easily each time we wanted to freshen-up the interior - I've done the inbuilt sexy curve stuff and, whist great for short term and holiday stuff, I really want something more practical for long term live aboard (no pianos though)....
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In principle love the Hatt's, but one thing I cannot get my head around considering deck movement when mooring .... The layout on these aft cockpit ones mean that you need one person at helm, one at bow and one at stern as you cannot move quickly between bow and stern without;

a) going inside
b) sliding along a narrow side deck (from saloon area) which seem like the ones you found on Princess 32's and Fairline Mirages in the late 70's ...

Imagine handling a roving fender for a 70 footer and having to pull it along this side deck .... (great for interior space though, but not for deck movement)

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petem said:
How about a San Lorenzo SL72 like this?

http://m.yachtworld.co.uk/mobile/boats/2000/San-Lorenzo-72-2696385/France
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Good call. I didn't realise that SL72s went down to that price level although the fact that its had a refit means its probably had a hard life. As some of you know, we bought our current Ferretti 630 from San Lorenzo who had taken it in p/x against a new SL72. We made several visits to the yard and inspected a SL62 and 72 and I have to say that the build quality is several notches above the mainstream builders (like Ferretti). The service we received from them during the sales process and afterwards during the warranty period was also excellent. Personally I would have no hesitation about buying a San Lorenzo if that was the type of boat I wanted. The SL72 itself is a big boat which would be plenty large enough as a liveaboard. In fact we met a guy in Italy earlier this year who had sold his house and bought a used SL72 on which to live and he earned a bit of money doing charters with it

Note to OP. As I understand it under Italian consumer law, if a dealer sells a boat (as opposed to a broker or individual), that dealer is obliged to give a warranty on that boat. In the case of our purchase, we got a full 12 months warranty which doesn't seem to have any geographical limits either and, as I say, so far San Lorenzo have stood by that warranty impeccably. So it may be worth looking out for boats being sold by dealers in Italy. Mapism, can you confirm the situation with dealers and warranties?
 
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Good call. I didn't realise that SL72s went down to that price level although the fact that its had a refit means its probably had a hard life. As some of you know, we bought our current Ferretti 630 from San Lorenzo who had taken it in p/x against a new SL72. We made several visits to the yard and inspected a SL62 and 72 and I have to say that the build quality is several notches above the mainstream builders (like Ferretti). The service we received from them during the sales process and afterwards during the warranty period was also excellent. Personally I would have no hesitation about buying a San Lorenzo if that was the type of boat I wanted. The SL72 itself is a big boat which would be plenty large enough as a liveaboard. In fact we met a guy in Italy earlier this year who had sold his house and bought a used SL72 on which to live and he earned a bit of money doing charters with it

Note to OP. As I understand it under Italian consumer law, if a dealer sells a boat (as opposed to a broker or individual), that dealer is obliged to give a warranty on that boat. In the case of our purchase, we got a full 12 months warranty which doesn't seem to have any geographical limits either and, as I say, so far San Lorenzo have stood by that warranty impeccably. So it may be worth looking out for boats being sold by dealers in Italy. Mapism, can you confirm the situation with dealers and warranties?
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That's interesting Mike - I'll dig into the SL's a bit more. Please note folks that the point about the Hats is simply the domestic sized furniture - I'm certainly not stuck on Hats for any other reason. (though I do like DD's !)
 
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Note to OP. As I understand it under Italian consumer law, if a dealer sells a boat (as opposed to a broker or individual), that dealer is obliged to give a warranty on that boat. In the case of our purchase, we got a full 12 months warranty which doesn't seem to have any geographical limits either and, as I say, so far San Lorenzo have stood by that warranty impeccably. So it may be worth looking out for boats being sold by dealers in Italy. Mapism, can you confirm the situation with dealers and warranties?
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Yes I can, though my understanding is that this is based on an EU regulation, mostly meant for cars but also valid for bikes and boats. But TBH, I never investigated the legal details.

It's rather worth mentioning, regardless of what the exact legal requirements are, that there are dealers and dealers.
I mean, SL is up there at the very top of this industry - not only in a different league than Ferretti, as you correctly said, but also if compared to the two big UK builders, let alone others.
In other words, I wouldn't give the good service you got for granted also when buying from anyone else, just because of some legal requirements....

Btw, you are right in being surprised by the asking price (550k Eur) of that 2000 SL72, but that's the cheaper of her vintage, if you look at yachtworld website.
I guess there must be a reason, on top of the 2700 hours engines - with which there's nothing wrong, but that and the refit, as you mentioned, suggest at least that the boat didn't have an easy life.
In fact, the other 2002 which petem posted is well outside the OP budget, at 900k Eur. And she's still among the less expensive anyway!
 
MapisM said:
In fact, the other 2002 which petem posted is well outside the OP budget, at 900k Eur. And she's still among the less expensive anyway!
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Yes thats what I thought. The SWMBO has been eyeing up SL72s but I've told her she'll have to work a lot harder if she wants one of those;)
 
drumbeat said:
£500k = 650k Euro - 900 - 650 = 250k Euro apart, less what a surveyor finds, split the difference, we're there! :D
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When my SWMBO goes boat hunting, she doesn't look at anything that isn't 7 figures! Its always me that has to inject a dose of reality!
 
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Yes thats what I thought. The SWMBO has been eyeing up SL72s but I've told her she'll have to work a lot harder if she wants one of those
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Now, why am I not surprised to hear that Ms.Deleted User wouldn't mind an SL72 next? :D
Mind, you'd better NOT let her see the SD92. Stunning doesn't even begin to describe her....
 
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petem said:
When looking for San Lorenzo SL72's on Yachtworld note that some are listed under "SanLorenzo" others under "San Lorenzo" (with a space) and also "72" and "SL72".

This search seems to capture them all....

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/core/li... 72&slim=quick&No=0&Ns=PBoat_sortByPriceAsc|0

In fact this one is even cheaper at £329k (http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2000/San-Lorenzo-72-2702472/France#.VDQrtGddVrE). Looks like what I'd describe as a desperate seller!
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Hardly a full boat description! Is it really single engined?! Maybe it's half sunk. And that pic is the same as the one on the other advert, not a great start!!
 
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