Help just brought a small boat.

Reptile Smile said:
Really think that's unnecessarily rude.

Op - good on you. When you're spending that little on a boat, I wouldn't blink about doing what you've done. It's a gamble, and if I'd seen it first, I'd have taken it. Good on you.
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+1 Speechless re db's spiritless remarks.
 
Davegriff said:
+1 Speechless re db's spiritless remarks.
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+2


I'd add as an encouraging but generalised (i.e worthless!) observation based on a dozen or so years in the Pyrenees that the French love making rules but are often less punctilious about following the letter of the law. L'exception française etc etc.

Good luck with this mad scheme...:~}

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I live near Toulouse and have researched putting my boat on one of the lakes in this region. Next year I will put it on Lac Hourtin, which is a bit further north than Lac Cazaux/Sanguinet.

There is a useful document called Le Bisca Guide in which it states “interdiction de sejourner la nuit sur les bateaux” translated “it is forbidden to stay overnight on the boats”. Here is the link; http://en.calameo.com/read/0003496996da2edeac28b
This is the same rule as for Lac Hourtin, where the rules state that “camping nautique” is strictly forbidden. I suspect that all the lakes in the region are the same.
That said, there are lots of good campsites around the lake.

You may be able to get a berth at the marina at Port Maguide which is run by Charlet Nautic. Here is the link; http://www.charletnautic.com/. There are also places that do Gardiennage (storage) if you are not able to leave your boat in the water.

As for the requirement for a permis bateau, this is explained in a document called “Guide des loisirs nautiques en eau douce” Here is the link; http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/Guide-des-loisirs-nautiques-en-eau.html
It states that; Permis pour piloter un bateau de plaisance lorsque la puissance de l’appareil propulsif est superieure a 4,5 kw, soit plus de 6 CV. En eaux interieures, le critere est la longueur :
● bateau inférieur à 20 mètres :
permis plaisance option eaux interieures ;
● bateau de 20 mètres ou plus :
permis plaisance extension grande plaisance eaux interieures.
There is no differentiation between motorboats and sailing boats with engines. (This is why my sailing boat has a 6HP engine:)).

I really hope you can sort things out. Let us know how you get on and best of luck.
Mark
 
Daydream believer said:
I cannot help wondering---- are people really that stupid!!!
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Well it seems hes more of a daydream believer than you are :D :D :D

If he comes on later crying about loss of money investment then I would agree. As it is if hes prepared to loose is investment why the hell not, looks like a fun project if you enjoy a challenge.
 
Alan ashore said:
Fully comp insurance for a 475 EUR purchase? It's hard to imagine that could possibly have been worthwhile, but maybe I'm missing something :suspicion:
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Though I broadly agree with the principle of that, I don't think €475 is likely to reflect the true value of a 25' long keel with a functioning diesel inboard..?
 
I thought my comment would raise some hackles

It he had told his mates down the pub what he had done they would have said he was mad
then after 6 pints they would have started discussing the best routes for a world circumnavigation

Bit like this forum really!!:)
 
It's not what you said - many on here wouldn't have undertaken what he has (though I - and others - would).

It's the way that you said it that was unnecessarily rude.
 
As an alternative...Get her up to the Charente. It does not have the same rules as most of the Canals/Rivers and is navigable to Angouleme, though your keel might limit you to somewhere past Cognac. No ICC requred and nobody I know has a permis. Depending on the condition of the diesel, you could always put a 5hp o/b on a bracket to get by that elsewhere. But I am fairly certain that rule is for fresh water, as for sea use the 'primary power of sails' applies.
Friends keep several boats for river use, many rig-less sailers. No yearly fees and often very cheap moorings or free if you can find-a-friend with frontage. Plus, if you can arrange a way to hoist the mast, then down the river to sail around the islands and waters of La Rochelle and Rochefort, wonderful for your summer break. As said, the Gironde gives you access to the canal du Midi (but under the rules again)

I bumped into a couple in a 20ft o/b powered little mobo. It was their 'place in France' and they lived on her for three months of the year. Wandering up and down the Charente. Most municipal quais are free or cheap and the put her on the dry in Jarnac for the winter.
Worth a thought.
 
Reptile Smile said:
Where's the 'like' button when you need it..? :-)[/QUOT

It is lovely down there. We all get together at least once a year for a 'regatta' essentially a little cruise in company followed by a pic-nic and wine sampling session. Last time about 20 boats turned up. Some friends have a house on the river with a spare garage, so we leave a small ally boat with a 4hp for mutual use. Saves trailing one down if we want to have an evening pootle. We are about 10 mins away.

If the OP wants any more info, just ask.

Incidently, most of the boats are not insured either. Ours is, costs about 60 euro/year for 3rd and rescue coverage at sea. Survey cost 180 euro.+ km.
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DownWest said:
As an alternative...Get her up to the Charente. It does not have the same rules as most of the Canals/Rivers and is navigable to Angouleme, though your keel might limit you to somewhere past Cognac. No ICC requred and nobody I know has a permis. Depending on the condition of the diesel, you could always put a 5hp o/b on a bracket to get by that elsewhere. But I am fairly certain that rule is for fresh water, as for sea use the 'primary power of sails' applies.
Friends keep several boats for river use, many rig-less sailers. No yearly fees and often very cheap moorings or free if you can find-a-friend with frontage. Plus, if you can arrange a way to hoist the mast, then down the river to sail around the islands and waters of La Rochelle and Rochefort, wonderful for your summer break. As said, the Gironde gives you access to the canal du Midi (but under the rules again)

I bumped into a couple in a 20ft o/b powered little mobo. It was their 'place in France' and they lived on her for three months of the year. Wandering up and down the Charente. Most municipal quais are free or cheap and the put her on the dry in Jarnac for the winter.
Worth a thought.
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This is not so, the same rules apply to the Charente as any other river in France an ICC is needed for the estuarial parts and a CEVNI when past the first lock. Apart from that why would anyone want to move from a lovely sailing area like Arcachon to a characterless , mud laden estuary like the Charente? As for the Gironde, this is no place for an inexperienced boater - sail or motor
 
I will check up on the rules. The tidal estuary below St. Savinien is muddy, but above the barrage and lock (which is where I am talking about) is more like the Thames, just fewer houses and very few boats (unlike the Thames). The Charente does have fewer rules, partly because there is no commercial trafic. So CEVNI is not applicable (but I will check on this) Unlike the Gironde, it is not connected to the other canal systems. I agree that the Gironde is not for the inexperienced.
 
Mark G said:
The rules are explained in http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F23657.xhtml
I have translated the relevant bit;
"A permis is not required to drive a sailboat at sea, however, inland and river particularly, the driver must possess a permis if it has an engine of more than 4.5 kilowatts (which is 6HP)".
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Exactly - these are the same rules as the rest of France and the Charente does have commercial traffic, there are cargo ships that go up to Rochefort and beyond and he will need CEVNI and/and or ICC depending on where he is sailing.
 
But are you (out of interest - I know it doesn't apply to the OP) saying that one doesn't need CEVNI and/or ICC with an outboard of less than 6hp (given there is no other form of propulsion)..?
 
Mark G said:
There is a useful document called Le Bisca Guide in which it states “interdiction de sejourner la nuit sur les bateaux” translated “it is forbidden to stay overnight on the boats”. Here is the link; http://en.calameo.com/read/0003496996da2edeac28b This is the same rule as for Lac Hourtin, where the rules state that “camping nautique” is strictly forbidden.
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That seems to me a terrible shame. The region is classic safe Swallows and Amazons-style territory, but the enormous fun of staying aboard after dark, isn't allowed.

I suppose it would encourage the use of WCs on board. But surely all boats kept on the lakes must have chemical toilets or holding tanks?
 
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