Help - Historic Keel Damage found at point of sale!

[pandos]

I agree with the majority opinion that it will be impossible to expect any comeback against the original surveyor 7 years after the survey unless you have surveyor's photos taken at that time which clearly show the damage .... but if that were the case, how would the original surveyor have missed it? d

Richard

even if the surveyor had failed to spot it, isnt their relationship contractual and thus might his cause of action be statute barred at this stage...

 

[lpdsn]

Don’t think that is comparable. The OP here has had two (three?) surveyors look at it immediately recently and all agree it is badly damaged (‘loose’). CR’s keel was inspected comparatively sooner; it was not loose and worked loose on its last passage. The OP’s case against his original surveyor is that the keel would have been loose 7 years ago. Also a fairing repair 7 years ago would be easy to spot, nothing comparable to that in the CR case.

I didn't know you'd seen the boat in question. The rest of us have very little info with which to draw any firm conclusions. We don't even know what type of boat it is. As far as the info goes so far we know the potential purchaser's surveyor spotted it and two others have concurred, although it is reasonable to assume the last two were told it was there before examining the boat. OP says he didn't do it and he'd never spotted it, nor had his own surveyor. So hard to come to the conclusion it was easy to spot without further info, and maybe pictures.

 

[bitbaltic]

I didn't know you'd seen the boat in question. The rest of us have very little info with which to draw any firm conclusions. We don't even know what type of boat it is. As far as the info goes so far we know the potential purchaser's surveyor spotted it and two others have concurred, although it is reasonable to assume the last two were told it was there before examining the boat. OP says he didn't do it and he'd never spotted it, nor had his own surveyor. So hard to come to the conclusion it was easy to spot without further info, and maybe pictures.

I don't think we're disagreeing particularly. My issue with your comparison to CR would be that a keel fairing repair would be a clear indicator of damage suggesting further investigation. CR did not have any such damage, and that is one reason why the defect was not picked up; this boat (whatever it is) does.

 

[lpdsn]

I don't think we're disagreeing particularly.

Perhaps not. It would be handy if the OP has some photos.

 

[bitbaltic]

Perhaps not. It would be handy if the OP has some photos.

Agreed

 

[Stork_III]

Previous posting by OP http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?318402-Sun-Odyssey-26-Keel-Length&p=3574832#post3574832

Sun Odyssey purchased 2011, "a bit tippy" may be the boat in question?

 

[bitbaltic]

Previous posting by OP http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?318402-Sun-Odyssey-26-Keel-Length&p=3574832#post3574832

Sun Odyssey purchased 2011, "a bit tippy" may be the boat in question?

hmmm.

A mate used to have the lifting keel variety, realistically a form stability boat, wouldn't be surprised if a boat like that felt tippy to a new-to-yachting owner either way. Interesting link.

ETA, Bit odd that the OP was essentially looking for more grip from the keel several years ago though. And if 14k repair on the same is realistic, the boat is probably a write off...

 

[Seajet]

I don't see any sense writing off the boat and the owner's money - I'm betting it's a case of finding a decent boatbuilder with engineering knowledge and some time - probably a recently retired boatbuilder would be ideal - and £14K sounds like someone's eyes lighting up at the prospect of ' insurance job, £ bingo ! '

I saw a minor example of this with a friend's twin keeler which had been driven ashore off her mooring, scuffing one keel and causing the join filler to fall out.

The ' yard expert ' did not even go aboard to look at internal structure ( she'd been hoisted out by then ) just instantly said ' bring her round to our yard - by a short coastal trip so he presumably didn't think she'd sink en route - ' course it'll be rig off, both keels dropped ' I could see his eyes light up and a spring in his step develop as he started a mental image of the fee.

The OP just needs to ask around local clubs and find the right guy to repair her.

 

[Moderator]

That link gets me:-

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Mods might have removed it. It was basically the same as post #1 but in the feedback forum followed by a post saying try the PBO forum.

Yup.
OP posted in the Feedback forum. Somebody suggested he post instead in Scuttlebutt. So he copy/pasted his post text into a new thread here in PBO, which generated a link to his original post:

Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?499717-Help-Historic-problem-with-Keel#OOAYohGMJZiyg73M.99

We glance at the Feedback forum occasionally, found the thread, moved it to Scuttlebutt then discovered the duplicate thread here in PBO so deleted the one we'd moved to Scuttlebutt - or rather we moved it into our "suspended threads" area where only those of us with Mod Tinted Spectacles can read it. All part of the service.

 

[UK-WOOZY]

so what kind of keel did OP have trouble with? fin? if stub now im worried as i have a sundream with stub/lift CB

 

[Cactus Sailing]

so what kind of keel did OP have trouble with? fin? if stub now im worried as i have a sundream with stub/lift CB

why have you had a serious grounding?

"he informed us that she had been very seriously grounded. Sufficient to damage the keel (evidenced by attempted re-profiling of the cast iron) and that a very bad repair to the inner part of the hull had been attempted. It was clear to him that this had happened before we had purchased the yacht"

 

[UK-WOOZY]

no, but dont know if mine ever had. i got my boat last year. just wondering what type of keel OP has

 

[Tranona]

no, but dont know if mine ever had. i got my boat last year. just wondering what type of keel OP has

According to the original post cited above, the shallow draft fixed keel version.

 

[UK-WOOZY]

keel like this?=

http://clarkeandcarter.co.uk/boats-f...print=1&full=1

 

[bitbaltic]

so what kind of keel did OP have trouble with? fin? if stub now im worried as i have a sundream with stub/lift CB

He seems to have the fixed keel version. Would not worry if I were you.

 

[Seashoreman]

keel like this?=

http://clarkeandcarter.co.uk/boats-f...print=1&full=1

"Ooops, that page cannot be found"

 

[Seajet]

EVERY boat, unless you have owned her from first launch, should be regarded as having had some clown or unfortunate run her aground fast into something nasty and hard / rocky sometime, and be checked - regarded accordingly.

 

[DJE]

Is it possible that surveyors have become more sensitive to this type of damage since the loss of the Cheeky Rafiki?