Help! Boat name conundrum!

[Ravi]

Of course there is one other option
Flog the boat & buy one with a name you like

I thought I had, but my ignorance about Greek deities caught me out.

Well that's a revelation. Not Bruce Dickinson's old boat then?

As in Bruce, "Rock God and occasional airline pilot"? I never knew he sailed. Truly, a giant among men!

I still say "Xena": No bad luck in simply reversing the mistake of the IAU. And besides, would you rather call your tender "Disnomia" or "Gabrielle"?

I had to Google "Dysnomia"... "the only known moon of the dwarf planet Eris". Now that would be a quite ingenious name for the tender if it did not sound horribly like some sort of gastric ailment! In fact, if she stays as Eris, i suspect that the tender will end up being called this.
(I didn't work out the reason for the 'Gabrielle' suggestion. A bit slow me. (It is an ex-GF name though, so wouldn't fly with the inumbent boss.)

I do really love the name Eriskay. I googled the translation of the beautiful Eriskay Love song that someone posted and, if I wasn't such a rock hard, steely eyed macho kind of guy, I would find them rather poignant, as I set sail....

I've gone away, oh beautiful woman
I've gone away, oh dear one
I've gone away
I'm sad and missing you.

[Chorus again:]

Many's the cold and wet night
I went out traveling on my own
Until I reached the place
Where the love of my heart lived.

[Chorus]

There was no music in my harp
There was no strength in my fingers
Until you told me of your love
And I found my poem.

[Chorus]

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Of all the gods you don't want to pee off I would imagine she is close to the top of the list.

I would burn some meat on the prow and leave the name well alone!

 

[2nd_apprentice]

Until I was told that that Eris happens to be the Greek "goddess of chaos, strife and discord". Of course, these Greek Gods are complex deities open to various interpretations, ..... so I Googled. Nope. Nothing else. Just Chaos, strife and discord. No redeeming features whatsoever.

Dig deeper, Hesiod wrote that:

"So, after all, there was not one kind of Strife
alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a
man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the
other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature.
For one fosters evil war and battle, being cruel: her no man
loves; but perforce, through the will of the deathless gods, men
pay harsh Strife her honour due. But the other is the elder
daughter of dark Night, and the son of Cronos who sits above and
dwells in the aether, set her in the roots of the earth: and she
is far kinder to men. She stirs up even the shiftless to toil;
for a man grows eager to work when he considers his neighbour, a
rich man who hastens to plough and plant and put his house in
good order; and neighbour vies with his neighbour as he hurries
after wealth. This Strife is wholesome for men ."

(Works and Days)

"The two Erides have opposite roles in the world: the Bad one leads men into war and unproductive conflict in the law-courts and agora, while the Good Eris causes a man to engage in honest and fruitful labor in the fields. The two sisters balance each other, much as the will of Zeus maintains a balance between pride and humility, fame and infamy. As Pucci has observed, there is a theme of opposition and complement throughout the Opera. Thus, as the poet informs his audience, there is room for both Erides in life, so long as one attends to the Good one first.
Attending to the Good Eris means working intensely to store up enough grain and supplies to provide for oneself and the family. Labor, though bemoaned as a negative condition of the current, fifth race of mankind, is nevertheless the highest good, a praiseworthy and noble endeavor that makes a man more dear to the immortal gods. Labor, a divine gift from Zeus, is the domain of the Good Eris, yet labor did not exist until Pandora's arrival. Both entities are responsible for mankind's labor, and the descriptions of their characters are conjoined thematically and linguistically, as we shall see: accordingly I would argue that Pandora and the Good Eris, while not to be understood as the same creature (Pandora is surely no longer physically present), do possess the same function in the world of man.

Thus there are two Erides, each providing a counterpart to the other, just as Zeus himself serves as the bridge between success and failure in the world of man. The judgment of Zeus is dispensed as the god himself sees fit, and one of the recurrent motifs of the Hesiodic works is that it is impossible to escape the will of Zeus."

(Jonathan Zarecki: Pandora and the Good Eris in Hesiod)


Sounds like an excellent name actually!

 

[laika]

(I didn't work out the reason for the 'Gabrielle' suggestion. A bit slow me.

I'm guessing you weren't following the excitement back when there were more planets in the solar system and we thought UB313 might be getting a most excellent name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(dwarf_planet)#Xena

Along with its moon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysnomia_(moon)#Name
...and clearly you weren't a fan of...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Xena-Warrior-Princess-Ultimate-Collection/dp/B000SLUB7S

But before offending the discordians by abandoning the current name perhaps you should read...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Illuminatus-Trilogy-Robert-Shea/dp/1854875744

As in Bruce, "Rock God and occasional airline pilot"? I never knew he sailed.

Actually I think fencing is more his sport. I should have abandoned the gag when it fell flat the first time...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsmcDLDw9iw

 

[Ravi]

Dig deeper, Hesiod wrote that:

"So, after all, there was not one kind of Strife
alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a
man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the
other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature.
........But the other is the elder
daughter of dark Night, and the son of Cronos who sits above and
dwells in the aether, set her in the roots of the earth: and she
is far kinder to men. She stirs up even the shiftless to toil;
......"

(Works and Days)

......
Thus there are two Erides, each providing a counterpart to the other, just as Zeus himself serves as the bridge between success and failure in the world of man. The judgment of Zeus is dispensed as the god himself sees fit, and one of the recurrent motifs of the Hesiodic works is that it is impossible to escape the will of Zeus."

(Jonathan Zarecki: Pandora and the Good Eris in Hesiod)


Sounds like an excellent name actually!

Your very interesting post has led me to an internet journey of self improvement Greek Mythology. Hessiod does seem to have a soft spot for Eris. And I am sure that my old boss would say that any Goddess who can "stir up the shiftless to toil" is definitely the God for me.
Hessiod does seem to be alone in his support for Eris. A sort of classical press agent, perhaps.

 

[laika]

Hessiod does seem to be alone in his support for Eris.

I think Robert Anton Wilson has done his fair share in the last half century...

 

[Ravi]

I think Robert Anton Wilson has done his fair share in the last half century...

?Robert Anton Wilson?
Sigh.... More googling required. is there no end to what I don't know!! ?

This is all getting very educational. Not a lot of housework is getting done!

 

[laika]

?Robert Anton Wilson?
Sigh.... More googling required. is there no end to what I don't know!! ?

Penultimate link in my post of yesterday evening. I'll take a punt that the person who named your boat was more likely familiar with The Illuminatus! trilogy than Theogony. At this point I'll avoid confusing things by comparing Hesiod and Active Directory....

 

[Ravi]

Hesiod and Active Directory....

Does that mean there was a much better scholar around called NDSiod whom Hesiod came along and replaced?

 

[2nd_apprentice]

Hesiod does seem to be alone in his support for Eris. A sort of classical press agent, perhaps.

Yes and no, I'm probably overthinking this but this very thought was developed further by Anaximander and Heraclitus: "Strife is justice" (dike eris)

...In an innovation that might be seen as an earlier response to Homer's curse on Eris, Hesiod had distinguished "good conflict" or creative competition from evil strife that leads to warfare, lawlessness and crime.
It is a natural consequence of Heraclitus' monism that he should reject Hesiod's distinction between good and bad strife. But the provocative character of his assertion is best appreciated if we think of him as accepting the distinction for the sake of the argument, and then equating evil Eris with the principle of justice.

(The Art and Thought of Heraclitus - Charles H. Kahn)

Heraclitus claimed that Dike, the characterisation of cosmic balance and justice, must be identified with Eris - Conflict - which is indispensable to the continuation of the cosmos. Heraclitus also gives a similar function to Polemos (Struggle) [interestingly one of Eris' siblings]; he is the king and father of everyone. At the level of fundamental ontology proper Heidegger similarly pointed out that Being is quarreling or disputing in itself. That is, conflicts do not appear only as disputes and disagreements between humans, but the structure of Being itself is conflictive, it features both a primordial "no", and an original "yes".

(Right and Prejudice - Jarkko Tontti)

"We must know that struggle is common to all and strife is justice, and all things come into being through strife neccessarily" Heraclitus.

Okay: I am overthinking this, sorry!

 

[Tiddy Oggy]

Ravi, No problem if you dename your boat first:

http://www.48north.com/mr_offline/denaming.htm[/URL

 

[Ravi]

Ravi, No problem if you dename your boat first:
http://www.48north.com/mr_offline/denaming.htm[/URL

Excellent! His sentence
"But if you find this whole business faintly silly and embarrassing, and only go along with it because you're scared to death of what might happen if you don't..."
sums up exactly how I feel.

If Eris is to become Eriskay, then it will be done properly - even though the Celtic part of my ancestry makes me find the idea of pouring expensive champagne onto a boat painful!

 

[oldbilbo]

If Eris is to become Eriskay, then it will be done properly - even though the Celtic part of my ancestry makes me find the idea of pouring expensive champagne onto a boat painful!

Ochone, ochone! Didn't someone tell you that you need to filter the libation first....? An organic filter.....?

And if that's painful, you need more than a new name. You need penicillin!

 

[Spi D]

..but I take the view that her original name is part of her history. Who am I to change it just because I happen to be her current owner.

+1

And my boat was named in the UK, now living in Denmark. So it's name 'Dizzy Too' may or may not be unserstood simply as these two words. I don't know, and honestly don't care

Had to put new home port on and fix a fade issue, since the new name is shorter

 

[[70521]]

If Eris is to become Eriskay, then it will be done properly - even though the Celtic part of my ancestry makes me find the idea of pouring expensive champagne onto a boat painful!

Celtic ancestry you say. You need to do it properly then and use uisge beatha.