Help/ Advise Needed on a new Boat under warranty

sarabande said:
most certainly they should have two clips on then, with the screw/nuts facing opposite ways so that the hose is not under too much 'twist' .

Prudence would also suggest that next to each fitting, there should be a wooden tapered plug secured, just in case. And I'd also consider the use of backing plates to spread the load around the fitting. Easy enough to make up from some ply or scrap ali .

The clip on the left fitting in Pic 2 seems to be set at an angle.


When you have finished fettling, take dated pictures and write records, so that you have a get out of jail free card if there's an insurance issue. About four years ago, a forumite lost a boat on the Thames when a fitting failed, and there was a long sad insurance argument.
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Agree. But what should i do in order to improve the situation and arrange what i taught would never find in a new boat. Feeling frustrated when you pay good money and discover work that should have been done lots better. Not happy that there is no point from where to reach just to at least check the tightness of the clip.
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RobWales said:
And don't panic, can appreciate your concerns but it's not insurmountable by any means.
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Thanks Mate. Yes you are right but disappointed a bit. In my view would prefer to check before putting boat in sea for a season. From past experience once my older boat got water inside from a bilge hose that clip got off. So i think just to check them before launching once every season its not bad.
 
Do you have double clips on all the hoses in your car? Have you ever had one come undone? The clips seem to be stainless steel, are not anywhere near water so will not corrode. The fittings are under no stress at all, don't have any regular pressurised water going through them, exit above the waterline.

So really cannot see a problem, nor imagine any situation where they would constitute a problem. The only criticism is that the clips are a bit oversize so the tails are long, but that has no impact on their function.

Bet if you ever have to remove those hoses you will have to cut them off the spigots!
 
While I'm with Tranona that these, as they are, are not really an issue, it does strike me that the hosetail spigots (the barbed section) of these skin fittings are a lot shorter than I'm used to seeing. (Which is why, as Bruce K points out, double clips may not be feasible).

I know how frustrating it can be to be disappointed and anxious about a new boat though. If you are not happy to leave things as they are, then I think you should engage a qualified surveyor to review and report. If he/she advises that any change is necessary, or strongly advisable, then you have an excellent case for demanding rectification under warranty. If not, then just get out there and enjoy your boat!
 
IMHO the barbed fittings are too short and will not permit double clipping. That close to the waterline I would expect your insurance firm may require double clipping, especially as in that location they are effectively non serviceable.

I would ask the Insurer or your broker. If they say they must be double clipped then challenge the builder to put this right, and in this regard the onus for the builder to correct this would be a lot longer than 12 months, as this could be regarded a latent defect.

(I would leave answering the legal liability on this point to others better qualified to clarify)
 
superheat6k said:
IMHO the barbed fittings are too short and will not permit double clipping. That close to the waterline I would expect your insurance firm may require double clipping, especially as in that location they are effectively non serviceable.

I would ask the Insurer or your broker. If they say they must be double clipped then challenge the builder to put this right, and in this regard the onus for the builder to correct this would be a lot longer than 12 months, as this could be regarded a latent defect.

(I would leave answering the legal liability on this point to others better qualified to clarify)
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Are you sure Trevor? I can't imagine any insurance policy having such an explicit clause.
 
Alan ashore said:
While I'm with Tranona that these, as they are, are not really an issue, it does strike me that the hosetail spigots (the barbed section) of these skin fittings are a lot shorter than I'm used to seeing. (Which is why, as Bruce K points out, double clips may not be feasible).

I know how frustrating it can be to be disappointed and anxious about a new boat though. If you are not happy to leave things as they are, then I think you should engage a qualified surveyor to review and report. If he/she advises that any change is necessary, or strongly advisable, then you have an excellent case for demanding rectification under warranty. If not, then just get out there and enjoy your boat!
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superheat6k said:
IMHO the barbed fittings are too short and will not permit double clipping. That close to the waterline I would expect your insurance firm may require double clipping, especially as in that location they are effectively non serviceable.

I would ask the Insurer or your broker. If they say they must be double clipped then challenge the builder to put this right, and in this regard the onus for the builder to correct this would be a lot longer than 12 months, as this could be regarded a latent defect.

(I would leave answering the legal liability on this point to others better qualified to clarify)
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petem said:
Are you sure Trevor? I can't imagine any insurance policy having such an explicit clause.
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Thanks all for your input Guys. Appreciate. Honestly im still a bit confused and frustrated about this matter. Not sure if im making a fuss or else im right and if yes would contact the factory in order to arrange this problem. Will try using the flexi screwdriver as advised before in order to check for tightness. My only main CONCERN is That if in the worst case sceneriao something happens while underway ( Clip get loose with vibration or fails and hose gets off) there is no way to arrange the issue in emergency. As said fittings are unreachable. If they are reachable in an emergency i would have preferred that i will have access in order to at least tie the hose with a tie wrap at least and enter the port slowly. I go out fishing in high waves also alone so . The only thing i would have wanted is a bit of access to them: 1 : To check for tightness once a year and 2: If clip fail i could arrange the problem while underway which at the mo its impossible.
Can someone agree with my idea of making the drink hole larger in order to have access? And if im right can i complain with the factory for claiming the expences involved or its a lost cause?
 
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petem said:
Are you sure Trevor? I can't imagine any insurance policy having such an explicit clause.
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superheat6k said:
IMHO the barbed fittings are too short and will not permit double clipping. That close to the waterline I would expect your insurance firm may require double clipping, especially as in that location they are effectively non serviceable.

I would ask the Insurer or your broker. If they say they must be double clipped then challenge the builder to put this right, and in this regard the onus for the builder to correct this would be a lot longer than 12 months, as this could be regarded a latent defect.

(I would leave answering the legal liability on this point to others better qualified to clarify)
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Thanks.
 
Karnic, can you reach the outlets on the outside? If so, just carry some bungs or some other material you can use to block them in case of a leak. It will be a lot easier than trying to reach them from the inside.
 
I take it this is a Karnic? I've had three and they're all built to CE standard. They used to be above Jeanneau / Beneteau in terms of quality but now I'm not so sure looking at that installation. That said - there's nothing really to be that concerned about - the outlets aren't submerged at any time though you could argue a non-return valve might have been fitted. I would prefer to see longer tails and double-clipped hoses though - that's just common sense on a boat for the sake of an extra few £.
 
I don't think this is a matter for consultation with insurers. It should not be assumed that insurers or brokers directly employ people who know anything about the detail of the construction of boats.
If the boat is nearly new it will have a CE plate which certifies , as far as insurers are concerned, it was fit for purpose when it left the factory.
A polite communication with the boat builder might reveal whether the installation is acceptable. If it is a nearly new boat and still under warranty the enquiry should be with the retailer .
 
Karnic said:
Can someone agree with my idea of making the drink hole larger in order to have access? And if im right can i complain with the factory for claiming the expences involved or its a lost cause?
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Speaking from experience, it will be a lot easier to influence the builder (via the dealer if you bought through a dealer) if you get a surveyor's report, identifying defects and recommending actions. In any case, you MUST give them the opportunity to rectify any defect themselves before taking action yourself and then seeking costs from them.

In fact, you might consider investing a few hundred pounds in a full survey of the boat, as there may be other potential defects you haven't noticed, but which could also be matters for a warranty claim.

Talk to the surveyor first of course about why you are doing this, and what you may hope to achieve.

Now, if ALL you are worried about is those fittings and hose connections, that's OTT of course. But if your unease goes any further.......
 
petem said:
Karnic, can you reach the outlets on the outside? If so, just carry some bungs or some other material you can use to block them in case of a leak. It will be a lot easier than trying to reach them from the inside.
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DrSpock said:
I take it this is a Karnic? I've had three and they're all built to CE standard. They used to be above Jeanneau / Beneteau in terms of quality but now I'm not so sure looking at that installation. That said - there's nothing really to be that concerned about - the outlets aren't submerged at any time though you could argue a non-return valve might have been fitted. I would prefer to see longer tails and double-clipped hoses though - that's just common sense on a boat for the sake of an extra few £.
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Alan ashore said:
Speaking from experience, it will be a lot easier to influence the builder (via the dealer if you bought through a dealer) if you get a surveyor's report, identifying defects and recommending actions. In any case, you MUST give them the opportunity to rectify any defect themselves before taking action yourself and then seeking costs from them.

In fact, you might consider investing a few hundred pounds in a full survey of the boat, as there may be other potential defects you haven't noticed, but which could also be matters for a warranty claim.

Talk to the surveyor first of course about why you are doing this, and what you may hope to achieve.

Now, if ALL you are worried about is those fittings and hose connections, that's OTT of course. But if your unease goes any further.......
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You're right. Would talk to a technical person about it. Boat i had before i can assure that hose connected trough bilge hole outlet with a Jubilee clip failed. Thanks God boat was moored but instead of pumping rain water out bilge pumped the water in bilge area. If this incident did not happen to me maybe today im not writing re this matter . Thats the only reason i have to gain some decent access from somewhere in order to check tightness and if clip is still sound and if as said before in the worst case scenario clip or hose fails while underway i can do something to stop water coming in. i accept and appreciate all type of views and ideas. Maybe im making too much fuss also about these but as said before this accident happened to me that a sound hose pipe with a sound clip failed. How cant tell cause boat was on its mooring at night.
 
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