Hello and advice needed please

Given the question involved, this is actually pretty good advice.

Although I never smelt petrol in our humble Birchwood 25, I would NEVER look at a twin Petrol for river use. It won't be good, reliable or economical.

So, for once I agree wholeheartedly! :)

Oh well gonna cop it for this but :cool:

You can say it won't be economical BUT
you can't say from there it wont't be good or reliable that depends on the boat and servicing.
 
Oh well gonna cop it for this but :cool:

You can say it won't be economical BUT
you can't say from there it wont't be good or reliable that depends on the boat and servicing.
I have read and acknowledged all of the great advice in here, I have also searched extensively online for info on these engines....ok they may not be as "robust" as diesels are but they are used extensively and have provided good reliability for a very long time. I note the "risks" associated with electrics and petrol engined boats but they are not new. I would not want to argue pros and cons of each fuel type, we could be here for ever. Service and maintenance are key with petrol and clearly the odd diesel service could be missed or at least it would most likely be a bit cheaper.....but try telling that to the guys who service my merc!!
As for running expenses, the two fuel types are coming closer together, even on the river, availability doesn't worry me as I don't intend going that far, but in my view its relative. Operating at river speeds my (now informed) assumption is that I will get a days boating at a cost of fuel around £50 -£70 and for the amount of boat I am getting for the money I am quite comfortable with that.
In conclusion guys you have all been a terrific help, I hope to meet some of you when the eventually let me loose on the water, though don't mind if I don't offer you a beer as I may be skint!! LOL.
I wandered around Shepperton today with her that makes the decisions but at those prices I am now looking at marina options....grin.
Thanks again,
 
The main problem with 'big old petrol engines' in a Boat, is the issues with moisture when they're not being used for a long time.

While traditional Diesels use very little in the way of electrics, and even they tend to be cheap relays and so on, the petrols will suffer as the electrics degrade over time, causing poor starting, misfires, and general ailments such as.

Additionally, the carbs tend to gum up which is no fun at all.

Couple this to 2 gallons an hour at river speeds, and thats for each engine, and you see why you have to make low offers for boats thus equipped.

Think of resale too...

The more modern single engines sport cruisers are not quite as bad, as the single engine in a small boat offers acceptable economy, and the engines are easier to get to, in addition to the fact the engines are younger, so less problems so far!

The worst case is twin V8 petrol engines on outdrives. The outdrives are another story altogether!!
 
Methinks we're all banging our heads against a brick wall on the engine type issue, best let it rest, and be hopeful that our worst fears aren't realised.

One point to make that hasn't been made before is that:-

the River is virtually closed in the winter season -

this year's maintenance schedule. I can't go anywhere up to Christmas, and then only downstream until late March.

The River is usually subject to high stream flows at any time from November to March, and I wouldn't want to venture forth as a novice in an unfamiliar boat with questionable (unknown) reliability.

Therefore, it might be a good suggestion for the OP to sit back and consider what's available at leisure.

Another point is a half price licence from 1st. October to December doesn't appear to me as good value from the point of annual maintenance and bad water flows (cold is not an issue for hardy folk - winter is a lovely time to go out and learn the ropes undisturbed, but not if you can't go anywhere).
 
Methinks we're all banging our heads against a brick wall on the engine type issue, best let it rest, and be hopeful that our worst fears aren't realised.

One point to make that hasn't been made before is that:-

the River is virtually closed in the winter season -

this year's maintenance schedule. I can't go anywhere up to Christmas, and then only downstream until late March.

The River is usually subject to high stream flows at any time from November to March, and I wouldn't want to venture forth as a novice in an unfamiliar boat with questionable (unknown) reliability.

Therefore, it might be a good suggestion for the OP to sit back and consider what's available at leisure.

Another point is a half price licence from 1st. October to December doesn't appear to me as good value from the point of annual maintenance and bad water flows (cold is not an issue for hardy folk - winter is a lovely time to go out and learn the ropes undisturbed, but not if you can't go anywhere).
All good points, tho we have had a hectic year, notwithstanding recovering from a pretty serious injury for four months which meant something we started back in spring has taken until now. We had to purchase something now whilst we had a short time to see it on the river, personally I am off down to OZ for a month in a few weeks and our aim was to lift our boat from the water for wintering...and have something complete and ready for the new season thus avoiding the mad rush of people that seem to have fun competing with others to buy something.....plan sounded quite good to me, and pretty consistent with your advice, Thanks.
 
You are sooo right, another Bin Liner bouncing off the lock walls and up for sale 6 months later.

That is not a particularly nice thing to say about somebody you don't know...is there a reason that you like to be heard so high and mighty or is it a club only you can join???
 
We only give you the facts my friend.

Not the intellectual apparatus with which to decipher them. :)

Choosing to blatantly ignore such advice usually ends in ridicule, in addition to the inevitable suffering for the resultant mistakes.


Thats just the way the world is.

I'll put it another way. lets say you're a climbing instructor, and you get asked by some guy about climbing a really steep mountain with no safety gear, on a cold wet windy day.

Being nice, you give him the obvious answer.

He ignores you.

You inevitably think he's a bit of a c0ck, and shake your head as he heads up towards base camp.

Capiche?
 
We only give you the facts my friend.

Not the intellectual apparatus with which to decipher them. :)

Choosing to blatantly ignore such advice usually ends in ridicule, in addition to the inevitable suffering for the resultant mistakes.


Thats just the way the world is.

I'll put it another way. lets say you're a climbing instructor, and you get asked by some guy about climbing a really steep mountain with no safety gear, on a cold wet windy day.

Being nice, you give him the obvious answer.

He ignores you.

You inevitably think he's a bit of a c0ck, and shake your head as he heads up towards base camp.

Capiche?
I dont mind advice, generally speaking in here it has been quite constructive, though to call an awful lot of people in here ridiculous as seemingly they don't agree with you is a bit strong, no?
The point I made was one where advice had morphed to become a personal comment, I am sure you must have the wit to see that?, maybe not.
Nonetheless, we consider advice and make our own personal choice, weighing evidence and the balance of the opinions of others, its not ignorance, it becomes an informed opinion and the one most likely to suit the individual...hopefully.
 
I would imagine we're banging our heads against a brick wall full stop.

He'll learn...

I have to agree with you (again, we must stop this :))

20 year old petrol engines in a boat are just asking for trouble. Mind you it will be a good thing there are two of them, chances are you will still have one running from time to time.

It seems that you have made up your mind regardless of the sound advice you have been given, so i of course wish you well with your choice. It wouldnt however be the choice of anyone who has owned a boat before. You will of course find out why in due course. Sorry if this sounds harsh but it is the truth.
 
Congratulations !!
Take one newbie add a healthy dose of sarcasm and ridicule and what do we get .................................. welcome to the Thames forum - Way to go guys, well done !
If a 255 fits his needs help him find a good one, if he can't afford diesels don't take the pi55 out of him.
I asked all the same questions 2 months ago and got some "ribbing" but nothing like this.
Come on, chill out a bit or do you really not want newbies on your river?

Puts on flack jacket and heads for cover .............................
 
Congratulations !!
Take one newbie add a healthy dose of sarcasm and ridicule and what do we get .................................. welcome to the Thames forum - Way to go guys, well done !
If a 255 fits his needs help him find a good one, if he can't afford diesels don't take the pi55 out of him.
I asked all the same questions 2 months ago and got some "ribbing" but nothing like this.
Come on, chill out a bit or do you really not want newbies on your river?

Puts on flack jacket and heads for cover .............................

Well said;) actualy some of us tried to give balenced advice but I think it got lost somewhere.
 
Congratulations !!
Take one newbie add a healthy dose of sarcasm and ridicule and what do we get .................................. welcome to the Thames forum - Way to go guys, well done !
If a 255 fits his needs help him find a good one, if he can't afford diesels don't take the pi55 out of him.
I asked all the same questions 2 months ago and got some "ribbing" but nothing like this.
Come on, chill out a bit or do you really not want newbies on your river?

Puts on flack jacket and heads for cover .............................
Usual pattern, usual suspects........:(
 
I make no comment other than to recommend that you read this thread from earlier:

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199891&referrerid=317

And rightly so - this underlines how dangerous petrols CAN be and should be taken as a warning to make sure your maintenance is first class.
It does not however guarantee your petrol engined boat is waiting at the marina to kill you!
I will be putting a camera and light in my engine compartment linked to small monitor at the helm so I can see any problems early but that to me is just common sense plus i have all the bits in the shed.
N
 
And rightly so - this underlines how dangerous petrols CAN be and should be taken as a warning to make sure your maintenance is first class.
It does not however guarantee your petrol engined boat is waiting at the marina to kill you!
I will be putting a camera and light in my engine compartment linked to small monitor at the helm so I can see any problems early but that to me is just common sense plus i have all the bits in the shed.
N

Excellent idea. Add a few more potential causes of sparks to the engine bay and wait for it to go boom.
 
Congratulations !!
Take one newbie add a healthy dose of sarcasm and ridicule and what do we get .................................. welcome to the Thames forum - Way to go guys, well done !
If a 255 fits his needs help him find a good one, if he can't afford diesels don't take the pi55 out of him.
I asked all the same questions 2 months ago and got some "ribbing" but nothing like this.
Come on, chill out a bit or do you really not want newbies on your river?

Puts on flack jacket and heads for cover .............................

Some of us dont actually moor on the Thames so it makes no odds to us, we just offer advice to all and sundry. The advice does however stay the same each and every time this topic crops up. You should know you have just been through the same process.

Twin petrol engined sea boats do not make good river cruisers.
 
I have to agree with you (again, we must stop this :))

20 year old petrol engines in a boat are just asking for trouble. Mind you it will be a good thing there are two of them, chances are you will still have one running from time to time.

It seems that you have made up your mind regardless of the sound advice you have been given, so i of course wish you well with your choice. It wouldnt however be the choice of anyone who has owned a boat before. You will of course find out why in due course. Sorry if this sounds harsh but it is the truth.
Thanks for the kind advice put sensibly and in a polite way. To be frank we are at no more than 50/50 on the petrol boat, however the decision to walk is difficult as we dont seem able to find a boat that provides the accomodation in the way the 255 does. We have ruled out other 255's even with diesels simply due to the condition /presentation. We may recommence our search / uplift our budget by £10k but thankfully we know an awful lot more about boats than we did a month ago.
If you know anyone that wants to offload a twin engined diesel with 2 cabins and a decent entertaining area perhaps you might let me know..
Thanks again for the advice...
Roy
 
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