Have I gone mad again?

[mainshiptom]

Mustang Sally

Deleted User always the voice of reason in one sentence (long) :~)

Whats wrong with that lovely looking boat you have on your profile Tom?

This one had to go , it was too good to be true..

Its happily living in NZ.
And I miss her loads as you can see.

 

[epervier]

My tupence, nice dream, but when you wake, it's obviously going to be a nightmare if you proceed.

sorry to piss on your chips

 

[mainshiptom]

My plans and future plans?

Mike mike mike, logic and common sense have no place in this discussion as you well know. There will be no divorce when Mrs Tom sees the thing anchored in the golden light of Villefanche as the airport car drops her off by La Mere Germaine to step into the waiting tender. The thing will cruise all of the Med, then beyond. Loads of harbours there with 25m berths, and it can spend ages on anchor. It will need 2 crew + Tom.

OK, there will be endless refurbishment, can't argue with you there. But there is an endless jobs list on a new 25m Squadron, I can tell you, becuase we're all geeks so manage to find jobs to do whether they're needed or not

John

My wish now is for a big enough gin palace to go out locally and anchor for weekends or longer while fishing and enjoying just being on board, no plans to go far in say the next 5 years (still a young man) but I can see a few problems emerging with this boat?
I don’t always get two crew? I love the freedom of going out on my own?
Did in my last boat, also Swmbo would be worried about the size and the amount of cleaning and maintaining this boat.

I suppose dream one thing reality is the other?

 

[AdeOlly]

My tupence, nice dream, but when you wake, it's obviously going to be a nightmare if you proceed.

sorry to piss on your chips

+1

If your numbers come up on Saturday, (or maybe they've already come up), then all good and you'll never ever be bored again or have money burning a hole in your pocket, otherwise the dream a la JFM's delightful scenario will gradually bleed you dry....

 

[mainshiptom]

Thanks Guys

My tupence, nice dream, but when you wake, it's obviously going to be a nightmare if you proceed.

sorry to piss on your chips

The reason I post on this forum is for those replies exactly, I am still tempted but better to get into deals like that with a very low expectations rather than all is smooth.

I do like hard work and can do stuff myself or use friends but maybe the size of the task has not sunk in yet?

Thanks for all the replies good or Sensible, I don’t see any as bad?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Mike mike mike, logic and common sense have no place in this discussion as you well know. There will be no divorce when Mrs Tom sees the thing anchored in the golden light of Villefanche as the airport car drops her off by La Mere Germaine to step into the waiting tender. The thing will cruise all of the Med, then beyond. Loads of harbours there with 25m berths, and it can spend ages on anchor. It will need 2 crew + Tom.

OK, there will be endless refurbishment, can't argue with you there. But there is an endless jobs list on a new 25m Squadron, I can tell you, becuase we're all geeks so manage to find jobs to do whether they're needed or not

I'm not quite sure how the Medway became the Med. I thought Tom does his boating in the Medway? Anyway, Mrs Tom's demeanour will change very quickly when she sees the bill for mooring a 25m boat in some of the Med hotspots, especially when she realises she could buy a half decent diamond ring for the cost of 1 night in Ibiza in August
Yup there are endless jobs to do on any boat but you know as well as I do that the older and bigger the boat, the more endless that list of jobs becomes and I'm not sure that Mrs Tom would be up for recaulking teak decks instead of loafing about on a sunlounger.
Anyway why don'y you buy her, jfm? It will give you a boaty project in the UK to stop you fretting about not being on the Squaddie in Antibes

 

[jfm]

I'm not quite sure how the Medway became the Med. I thought Tom does his boating in the Medway? Anyway, Mrs Tom's demeanour will change very quickly when she sees the bill for mooring a 25m boat in some of the Med hotspots, especially when she realises she could buy a half decent diamond ring for the cost of 1 night in Ibiza in August
Yup there are endless jobs to do on any boat but you know as well as I do that the older and bigger the boat, the more endless that list of jobs becomes and I'm not sure that Mrs Tom would be up for recaulking teak decks instead of loafing about on a sunlounger.
Anyway why don'y you buy her, jfm? It will give you a boaty project in the UK to stop you fretting about not being on the Squaddie in Antibes

I thought the transition Medway-->Med was quite seamless, until you went and pointed it out, dammit!

Blimey mike don't let swmbo read your diamond comment. Yes an Ibiza night in Tom's about-to-be 25m is not cheap but it's very far from the amount you need to be offered a chair at your local Graff* shop

Decks are new: no caulking needed. So sunloungers are go. But I agree the jobs list on this one would be huuuuge

I'd love to buy it but I don't have the time and it's not my taste in boats. I maybe am working hard on my next boat project though, still secret, but don't think I am doing nowt in the messing-about-in-boats department Mike! And who are you calling "fretting"? I was in Antibes the last several weekends on the trot and got back to London only the day before yesterday. If anyone is due another boat project right now I'd say it's you Mike

*Laurence Graff has a lovely F45 btw, even more coincidentally often anchored in Villefranche. He has hull #1 of the F45 series, called Space

 

[Rocksteadee]

Well if you need an excuse for the divorce, then this has got to be it

 

[mainshiptom]

Well !

Well if you need an excuse for the divorce, then this has got to be it

With the amount of work duw I might need a 25 year old to help me , its only fair?

Tom

 

[Renegade_Master]

I thought the transition Medway-->Med was quite seamless, until you went and pointed it out, dammit!
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exactly what I did

 

[lovezoo]

There will be no divorce when Mrs Tom sees the thing anchored in the golden light of Villefanche as the airport car drops her off by La Mere Germaine to step into the waiting tender. The thing will cruise all of the Med, then beyond.

Care to remind us what your fuel bill has been this season so far? IIRC it was approximately half of the value of Mainshiptom's new boat.

 

[jfm]

Care to remind us what your fuel bill has been this season so far? IIRC it was approximately half of the value of Mainshiptom's new boat.

I don't mind reminding you but I really don't want to remind myself. Ballparkishly that might be in the right ballpark. But Tom's proposed new boat will burn much less, especially with her current engine configuration

 

[mainshiptom]

Speed?

I don't mind reminding you but I really don't want to remind myself. Ballparkishly that might be in the right ballpark. But Tom's proposed new boat will burn much less, especially with her current engine configuration

John

waht sort of speed can I expect from this large engine? 6 Knots?

Tom

 

[Firefly625]

Ballparkishly ...

is that a technical term?

 

[jfm]

is that a technical term?

Yes. Just like "a Jeffery" is £10,000 cash in an envelope, it's a special technical term for 53,000 litres in a boat Firefly

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Blimey mike don't let swmbo read your diamond comment. Yes an Ibiza night in Tom's about-to-be 25m is not cheap but it's very far from the amount you need to be offered a chair at your local Graff* shop

My SWMBO is a Ratners girl. I just haven't had the balls to tell her yet though

I maybe am working hard on my next boat project though, still secret, but don't think I am doing nowt in the messing-about-in-boats department Mike!

Bloody hell, already fed up with the Sq78? Are you singlehandedly trying to drag the British economy back into growth? I do hope it's British

 

[jfm]

John

waht sort of speed can I expect from this large engine? 6 Knots?

Tom

Anything you like. you're buying the engine!
Off the cuff, Persistance will have a nice hull speed of 10 knots and need 275 continuous hp to achieve that, so a nice B rated 350hp diesel will do the job very well on something like 60 litres an hour. That's all very guessworkishoffthecuff

 

[epervier]

guessworkishoffthecuff

another engineering technical term?

Fifty years ago, my foreman mech fitter said, "near enough isn't good enough" but by twenty past four in the afternoon, he said, near enough is good enough for me, get finished up, we're going home in ten mins

 

[Firefly625]

Yes. Just like "a Jeffery" is £10,000 cash in an envelope, it's a special technical term for 53,000 litres in a boat Firefly

well at least Match isn't sitting in her mooring not being used (like a lot of med boats!) , superb first year usage jfm!

 

[Firefly625]

Anything you like. you're buying the engine!
Off the cuff, Persistance will have a nice hull speed of 10 knots and need 275 continuous hp to achieve that, so a nice B rated 350hp diesel will do the job very well on something like 60 litres an hour. That's all very guessworkishoffthecuff

I've got to say, in a guessing manner I would want a nice lazy 400hp lump. You could do some long passages in Persistance and when on a long passage sometimes timing tides etc can just mean you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, would be rediculous IMO to be sitting in that for a few hours with a 5/6knot tide against you and not being able to do anything about it....

Lots of comments on this little ship, some pushing you to buy and lots against. We all post threads on here sometimes with our minds already made up, but its just interesting to poke the forum for some responses. I look at Persistance with a real yearning to one day be in a position to purchase and make good something like this. I go into everything in life thinking how hard can it be, and assume I can do it until someone tells me otherwise, (the unicycle in my garage proves that...). I know looking at Persistance that if I got hold of it I would make that into a beauty... trouble is even with a budget of say £500k to do the work, the 74ft solent mooring would still hurt a bit...