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The guys at Sailing La Vagabonde (YouTube sailing sensation) are to receive a brand new 45ft Outremer catamaran as apart of a million dollar yacht deal.

Pretty incredible what YouTube videos can lead too..

Lets hope their future videos don't become a massive product placement advert for Outremer.

Anyway well done guys. Well deserved, easily the best sailing videos out there.

P.S. It's about time Keep Turning Left got something aswell... perhaps an Oyster 545! Or an upgrade to a Griffon?
 
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I watch a few of these youtube vlogs. The Elayna and Riley seems like a great couple, but their videos are pretty much just travel vids now. I like to see more sailing related footage. Still good though. I was considering vlogging when motorcycling around South America with the girlfriend, but it's so much work, especially on a bike.

Anyway, where did you read/see about the cat? I reckon Riley secretly wanted a cat all along.
 
thecommander said:
The guys at Sailing La Vagabonde (YouTube sailing sensation) are to receive a brand new 45ft Outremer catamaran as apart of a million dollar yacht deal.

Pretty incredible what YouTube videos can lead too..

Lets hope their future videos don't become a massive product placement advert for Outremer.

Anyway well done guys. Well deserved, easily the best sailing videos out there.

P.S. It's about time Keep Turning Left got something aswell... perhaps an Oyster 545! Or an upgrade to a Griffon?
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Whilst i enjoy their videos, I'd put SV Delos ahead of them.
 
The thing is, i wonder how they are going to manage such a large boat now without crew. Riley has said in his previous videos that if he had to do it again he'd buy a smaller boat.

I presume Outremer will help with the costs of running the cat, but I imagine that they will have to pay for berthing and the like from their income, which is significant at the moment, but they are probably investing a fair chunk of it for when the future.

I'm guessing the boat is a loaner for however long they want it for. But does that mean they are going to leave La Vagabond in Aus, and miss out Asia and start sailing around Europe.
 
thecommander said:
http://sailing-lavagabonde.com/youtube-couple-lands-million-dollar-yacht-deal-sailing-la-vagabonde/



Such an incredible story.
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I think this is great

Goodonem

For a few years SV delos was top of the heap

there always has to be a top of the heap



SV delos -

30 million hits and $5,000 per film from patreon has been top for a year or so

https://www.youtube.com/user/briantrautman/about

https://www.patreon.com/svdelos



and no free boat



Vagabonde with 20 million hits and $7,000 per film from patreon



https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZdQjaSoLjIzFnWsDQOv4ww/about

https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde

and a free boat (or is it a free boat - a million dollar deal is not necessarily a free boat?)

As an old hack it has been really interesting watching this market grow and develop.

People can reach out and make direct contact with their viewers.

I have been watching the market for winches and wenches grow exponentially

I reckon there are now twenty or thirty projects under way - all the top ones include pulchritudinous young women


we have Chase the story who have invested heavily in their project

who are yet to hit paydirt.

It all goes to show that a good looking woman in a bikini is a powerful driver of the visual image. I have investigated computer graphics and I have decided that I will replace my image with that of a 25 year old bikini clad woman and Lily M will be morphed into a 40 foot cat.


there are some excellent video makers out there - people with energy and enthusiasm, skill and drive

This is a whole new sailing narrative. We can imagine ourselves sailing the pacific with a bevy of beauties

meanwhile - nine years in KTL ticks along slowly with its 3,000 hits a day.

Obviously there is enough money in the budget for an Oyster - but I like 4KSBs and they are more suited to UK conditions than a 40 foot cat

D
 
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I don't know much about the tax laws in Aus and US, but in the UK all of this Patreon money is taxable. Donations generally aren't taxable, but as soon as you start offering something in return they cease to purely donations.

And yes I imagine Elayna being on board gets them more viewers than a fat lass from Hull, but then from what I've gathered, she's the one with the vision, and who does most of the filming and editing.
 
Mikedefieslife said:
I don't know much about the tax laws in Aus and US, but in the UK all of this Patreon money is taxable. Donations generally aren't taxable, but as soon as you start offering something in return they cease to purely donations.

And yes I imagine Elayna being on board gets them more viewers than a fat lass from Hull, but then from what I've gathered, she's the one with the vision, and who does most of the filming and editing.
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As income in the UK it would not be taxable if the person satisfies the rules for not being resident for tax purposes. If sailing around the world that could easily be the case.

Well done them, although I don't think it is hard work, as in the OPs header. So what if the earning power of beauty is greater than the earning power of ugliness, it has always been so.
 
It is beyond me how people can watch these videos of good looking people sailing in fantastic areas when you have a home grown old bloke called Dylan Winter who sails in the rain, what more could you want!!
 
Simon054 said:
It is beyond me how people can watch these videos of good looking people sailing in fantastic areas when you have a home grown old bloke called Dylan Winter who sails in the rain, what more could you want!!
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around 40 per cent of the people who watch the old fat bloke in a crap boat in the rain are from North America - which amazes me.

around one in 20 seem to chip in through paypal - which I think is also amazing.

I assume that if I was offered a large ocean going cat then they would stop tapping in.

For me the main thing is that I am still at it.

We live in an amazing place for sailing - and I try to offer a few insights into the geography and history. I keep tabs on the lovely looking girls but it seems to me that there is little sense of place in their films. Another bright white beach, bit of spear fishing, get the kit off. They might just as well be sailing a soap bubble around a washing up bowl.

Vagabonde is the best at the moment -

still not sure if a million dollar deal is a free yacht though

I am alright though... I have sent a letter to the marketing director at Westerly and am expecting a very positive reply in the near future.

yours

Ron Hopeful
 
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dylanwinter said:
..... little sense of place in their films. Another bright white beach, bit of spear fishing, get the kit off. They might just as well be sailing a soap bubble around a washing up bowl. ...
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I can't watch the films for this very reason, they are all monumentally boring. It is simply a numbers game, out of all the billions that watch YouTube there are enough people interested in bright, beautiful young things sailing around paradise, of which a significant number are prepared to pay. The catamaran might actually be a turn off for fee payers. At the moment what they offer is a look at an achievable dream, even though 99.9% will never try it. Introduce a $1MM cat and it becomes unachievable and maybe of less interest to the dreamers.

Artistically and interest value your videos win hands down over many other sailing videos.
 
BlowingOldBoots said:
As income in the UK it would not be taxable if the person satisfies the rules for not being resident for tax purposes. If sailing around the world that could easily be the case.

Well done them, although I don't think it is hard work, as in the OPs header. So what if the earning power of beauty is greater than the earning power of ugliness, it has always been so.
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It's my understanding that of UK tax law (which is limited to be honest) that if you are/were a UK tax payer, and then leave the country to to say live in international waters, HMRC would still have a keen interest in your tax affairs as by not being resident anywhere else you can't shed your UK residence.

Anyway, it's neither here nor there since they are Australian citizens. I was just interested as a keen travel blogger.
 
It's all a question of appeal though isn't it.
Obviously as sailors we appreciate the shots of boats battling to windward through gales and the solving of all the technical problems and all the minutiae that goes along with.
But ultimately its a limited market.

Everyone can appreciate sailing to a great place with blue seas and perfect weather, because for many people its the dream, and they're essentially living it though others.
On the whole I think La Vagabonde do a good job of showing a bit of everything, I assume they will have sponsorship obligations to meet now, but if you want someone to pay for you to do what you love thats generally the case.
 
I stopped watching La Vagabonde ages ago; I just lost interest.

Dylan's videos are in a league of their own in every respect (won't lose my interest for a start).

It is a shame we live in such a crazy old world (all imo of course)
 
As a girlie and an ocean voyager I have to agree - white sand, blue skies, bikini's and palm trees could be anywhere in the tropics but Dylan's videos definitely have a sense of place... And make me home sick at times. So far in several thousand miles of ocean crossing the best cruising grounds we've come across are Fiji and the West Coast of Scotland!
 
I think Riley & Elayna want to talk more about sailing, but they're fully aware it would bore most of their audience who aren't interested in the sailing details.

I've suggested they start up another channel, perhaps 'Sailing La Vagabond extra', where they can discuss sailing in more depth to satisfy us nerds., eg fitting a water makers, fitting new electronics, crossing the Atlantic and Pacific - they have so much stuff they could talk about.
 
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I think Riley & Elayna want to talk more about sailing, but they're fully aware it would bore most of their audience who aren't interested in the sailing details.

I've suggested they start up another channel, perhaps 'Sailing La Vagabond extra', where they can discuss sailing in more depth to satisfy us nerds., eg fitting a water makers, fitting new electronics, crossing the Atlantic and Pacific - they have so much stuff they could talk about.
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Sounds like it's only the money that's stopping them then ?

I am with those who think these videos monumentally dull. Not to single this lot out but in the whole hot/blue/beach genre there is not much sailing detail, not much topography or anthropology or anything in detail, in fact, except tits in every sense of the word. Moreover some of them feel a bit exploitative- there was a brief-lived one this summer called 'aventyr' or something like that which all went to pot, the girl posted a confessional video (swiftly taken down, wonder why) lifting the lid on a bad attitude, she was clearly a pretty vulnerable person who had been a means to an end.... Not for me. Old blokes and big waves, Dylan Winter or Eric Aanderaa is my cup of tea.
 
bitbaltic said:
Sounds like it's only the money that's stopping them then ��

I am with those who think these videos monumentally dull. Not to single this lot out but in the whole hot/blue/beach genre there is not much sailing detail, not much topography or anthropology or anything in detail, in fact, except tits in every sense of the word. Moreover some of them feel a bit exploitative- there was a brief-lived one this summer called 'aventyr' or something like that which all went to pot, the girl posted a confessional video (swiftly taken down, wonder why) lifting the lid on a bad attitude, she was clearly a pretty vulnerable person who had been a means to an end.... Not for me. Old blokes and big waves, Dylan Winter or Eric Aanderaa is my cup of tea.
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I looked up Aventyr

three links came up

a now empty youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi0KgV5GDrKza3Bn9eGohQA

this stripped channel

http://sailinghq.net/sailing-around-the-world-aventyr-sailing-episode-1-boat-repairs-and-launch-2/

https://sailing-channels.com/channel/UCi0KgV5GDrKza3Bn9eGohQA

Some-one has tried to bury their tracks

what can you remember about the series?


As for LaVagabonde it will be interesting to see how their output develops

at the moment the are earning $7K per film from 1000 patreon contributors

400 are donating $5 per film

https://www.patreon.com/LaVagabonde

they are posting a film a week so some of those patreon tappers will look to see $20 a month leaving their paypal/credit card accounts and going towards a lovely enchanting couple sailing a $1,000,000 catamaran (if that is what it costs for a 45 foot French cat these days).

Some of those Patreon people will drop out - recruiting replacements will get tougher and tougher for them

At the moment their $28,000 a month income is dependent on 1000 people - a nice wide customer base

now they will be dependent on the wims of one French Cat manufacturer.

It is a brave move on their behalf

It will be interesting to see how the LaVagabonde product will change with the new pressures from the French.

Marvelous stuff.
 
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I looked up Aventyr

three links came up

a now empty youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi0KgV5GDrKza3Bn9eGohQA

this stripped channel

http://sailinghq.net/sailing-around-the-world-aventyr-sailing-episode-1-boat-repairs-and-launch-2/

https://sailing-channels.com/channel/UCi0KgV5GDrKza3Bn9eGohQA

Some-one has tried to bury their tracks

what can you remember about the series?
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They only made a couple of films of which the 'confessional' was by far the most enlightening. As far as I can remember the gist of it seemed to be: pleasant but naiive American girl is teaching yoga on beaches somewhere in the Caribbean; meets apparently rich young brit guy with allegedly endless money, millionaire parents, Hallberg Rassy, who intends to sail the world; she partakes fully in the hard graft of getting the boat ready for sea; spends most of her savings in jointly getting ready for the trip; by the time they are are underway, chap becomes very controlling, starts bringing other women to the boat; she sort of ends up as cook and general skivvy to him and other women, trying to keep the adventure alive before cracking up and quitting it. Of course it was only her side of the story, but it came over as a naiive, rather walter mitty-esque person being exploited and then cast aside.
 
I thought it was one new film every 2 weeks. And the $ i suspect are Australian, so about £400K, still not to be sneezed at. And if I were providing the cat it would be on a loan basis with lots of strings attached, excuse the pun!
 
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