Hangkai 2 Stroke. A good sign.

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Perhaps if there was a Sailing for Disabled Organisation they would have lobbied the Government and had the lighter weight 2 Stroke Outboards granted immunity from being banned. Certainly as a pensioner I dont look foward to lugging a 27 kilo 4hp 4 Stroke the 100 yards from my car to the pontoon, where a 2 stroke weighing 15 kilos would suffice.
So when I saw a Hangkai Outboard for sale on Ebay today I thought that it was a Good Sign. Because these outboards seem to be only for sale on delivery from China, the Good Sign is that the seller has actually done it.
I know nothing about Hangkai Outboards but if the one for sale on Ebay wasent 300 miles from where I live I would be a serious bidder, but its "Collection Only"
And what is the environmental impact of a 4 hp 2 stroke in a year compared to a 4 stroke. Virtually nothing as I dont even use a tankful.
 
Does anyone know anything about these engines. Google doesn't give much info on them other than a US site that rubbishes them.
 
Apparently the 2hp is CE marked. I think they also need an RCD cert as well. I have asked for a copy of the cert for the 3.5 hp, and they have said that the factory will "make one".

On Ebay there is a £50 delivery charge, so I don't think it is collection only. Alsso a 2 year warranty, and lifetime maintenance. Looks a fantastic deal to me!
 
Isn't it very likely that Customs will impound and possibly confiscate a two stroke engine arriving from China unless it can be proved that it is for commercial use only? Even apart fom that there may well be import duty to pay in addition.
 
Dabhand said:
Isn't it very likely that Customs will impound and possibly confiscate a two stroke engine arriving from China unless it can be proved that it is for commercial use only? Even apart fom that there may well be import duty to pay in addition.
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To my knowledge, it is up to the importer to ensure compliance with the required regs. I don't think customs will be interested unless there is an issue with duty. The regs are enforced for BIS by Trading Stds. How often do you see them at a marina?
 
Wavey said:
Does anyone know anything about these engines...
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They tell you all about them on eBay:

HANGKAI (Air Kay) Outboard Performance and advantages: Air Kay outboard engine can rotate 360 ​​degrees , with excellent flexibility ,no need changing gear to reverse.when navigation in Ford , you can loist the outboard motor, set by a certain angle, ran foul into the of the buttom of collision can be avoided. Engine on off switch, throttle cable, all installed by the speed control knob on the handle, convenient operation. Air Kay outboard for a clutch, idle work, the propeller does not rotate, so use more safe and comfortable.

:D
 
I have no doubt they are a copy of one of the well known brands. But for my money I would rather find one of the last well known brand 2 strokes imported. 'As new' condition ones can be bought for 5-600 and IMHO a much better investment than the Chinese copies.
 
Dabhand said:
Isn't it very likely that Customs will impound and possibly confiscate a two stroke engine arriving from China unless it can be proved that it is for commercial use only? Even apart fom that there may well be import duty to pay in addition.
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I thought that, but as the one on Ebay is being sold by a private seller, it obviously wasent impounded, confiscated, and one doesn't know if import duty has been paid or not. All I am trying to say is that someone has done it. clicked on the Chinese Ebay link, paid the money, had it delivered to the UK, passed through the Port, and entered into private ownership. A Good Sign that you can do this. Perhaps if a few more come up for sale I will click on the Chinese link and buy one. But at the moment I dont want to risk my money. But someone did and it worked. Photo on Ebay, living proof.
 
landlockedpirate said:
I have no doubt they are a copy of one of the well known brands. But for my money I would rather find one of the last well known brand 2 strokes imported. 'As new' condition ones can be bought for 5-600 and IMHO a much better investment than the Chinese copies.
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Agree llp, just keep an eye out for something like a Merc/Tohatsu 3.3hp, 2st., brilliant little motor, and at least you've got something to sell later on.
 
Hi Jim....

I make no judgements because I have never seen or run one, but if they as good as the small Parsun's they can't be bad. It seems to me that unless there is a UK Importer involved Like in the case of Parsun and Bill Higham, you could have difficulties should a warranty claim and or spare parts are needed. Any way, here are some links that I found....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZUypboRmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if1M3imHwaQ&feature=related

http://cnzjyuanhang.en.alibaba.com/product/407703431-211954512/HANGKAI_Outboard_motor_4HP.html

I see that you say you want a 4hp engine? Is it for a tender? Do you really need 4hp? The reason I ask is that both the Honda 2.5 and the Suzuki 2.5 Weigh about 13kg. Personally I would opt for the Suzuki, because being water cooled it is quieter, and I don't much like the throttle/clutch arrangement of the Honda, the Honda is a tad agricultural, but is a reliable engine for all that.
 
Dabhand said:
Isn't it very likely that Customs will impound and possibly confiscate a two stroke engine arriving from China unless it can be proved that it is for commercial use only? Even apart fom that there may well be import duty to pay in addition.
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Yes. There will be VAT to pay as a minimum.

If the engine is not properly CE marked etc, then it will be confiscated if checked by customs or if it is going to a private address. However, customs don't get around to checking everything which arrives.

It seems very risky to me - and you risk potentially more than just losing your engine (e.g. if there is a counterfeit CE mark) or if it could be proven you knew what was going on (e.g. a link to this thread!).
 
michaelchapman said:
Yes. There will be VAT to pay as a minimum.

If the engine is not properly CE marked etc, then it will be confiscated if checked by customs or if it is going to a private address. However, customs don't get around to checking everything which arrives.

It seems very risky to me - and you risk potentially more than just losing your engine (e.g. if there is a counterfeit CE mark) or if it could be proven you knew what was going on (e.g. a link to this thread!).
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Michael,

I don't believe anyone on this forum genuinely knows if the engines are certified or not, or if they are copies of anything. Parsun have been selling in the UK successfully for some time. If you check the Fleabay feedback for the HangKai engine, you will see very satisfied customers.

I have asked for the cert on the 3.5 hp, and the seller has promised to get me a copy.

I don't think there are any laws or regs about using these engines, even if they are not certified. The onus is on the importer to prove compliance.
 
rafiki_ said:
Michael,

I don't believe anyone on this forum genuinely knows if the engines are certified or not, or if they are copies of anything. Parsun have been selling in the UK successfully for some time. If you check the Fleabay feedback for the HangKai engine, you will see very satisfied customers.

I have asked for the cert on the 3.5 hp, and the seller has promised to get me a copy.

I don't think there are any laws or regs about using these engines, even if they are not certified. The onus is on the importer to prove compliance.
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I thought the OP was planning on buying directly from China.

If he is buying in the UK, then I agree - there is in practice no risk for him. The importer has the risk. The Chinese are good at making compliance documents as well.
 
I have a mariner 3.3, mercury 2.5 , honda 2hp and honda 2.3 hp.There is nothing in the weight difference, all about 28lbs. The problem you will have is the quality of the construction materials. Salt water plays holy hell with the very best makes so its your guess how long these copies are going to last.
My advice is to buy a decent second hand well known make where spares are readily available.
Incidentally all the above motors are serviced and for sale ;)
 
hangkai out board

If you look at the many offers on Ebay, they are from the same UK importer, and they offer a delivered price, or a price plus delivery. It all comes to the same, £280 total. So you dont need to get one from China, it is from Portsmouth. But they didnt reply to my request to collect. They just want their £280, they are just box shifters.
It comes with some parts including a spare starter mechanism, impeller etc.

Mine has had a few runs out this season and I am quite impressed. It is half the price of a Suzuki, so don't expect the same quality. But again, it is very light. The prop disengages at low revs which is better than my old Suzuki 2.
I am posting a request to jointly develop a decent manual, and will attach my draft, which may help.
 
So you have gone and bought one - good for you. I have looked at these a many times and have been attracted by the weight. Assume you have the 2hp one? I'd be interested to know whether you end up in a cloud of blue smoke (based on 25:1 mix recommended) and how much it actually weighs with a tank of fuel. I use a 3.5 Merc 4St and it weighs about 20kg with fuel etc - its manageable but flippin heavy to lump about the boat.
 
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