Hallberg Rassy hardtop

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I am think about making a hardtop for my HR352 they loo good but only if I can get the proportions correct,

Is there any one with an original HR hard top who would take some measurements for me...

The Proportions will probably be easy to to convert from model to model based on the original proportions of the windscreens, as they will have been devised for optimum aesthetics.

https://www.reginasailing.com/General/BoatLaska/Laska10Hardtop/Ready Hardtop1.jpeg

making one does not look like rocket science,,,, famous last words....

Thanks
 
As an ex-owner of a 352, I have to confess I've never heard of a 352 with a hardtop. I think it would be very difficult to achieve; you'd need to construct a new windscreen for starters.
 
I never saw one either but have seen a few larger HR s with one most particular yesterday in almerimar and they look ok,,,

The point is to bypass the windscreen, the windows are 5 individual custom sized and shaped units and are inset into the 5 face of the dodger.

the roof is more complex but I think I can work this out once a scale has been settled,

there are posts of guys making them to following the lines of the traditional canvas spray hood, and many who have put them on other boats, I think the making would be easy subject to getting the geometry correct.

I think this will be easy but the proportions will be very important so as not to upset the overall image of the yacht...

but trial and error will be involved using a few sheets of plywood...

https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-build-a-hard-top-dodger
 
Thanks for that very impressive bit of Googling, and filtering out of crap.....

I have seen many of them previously so am not stuck for the shape/appearance, I also have some ideas on actual construction of the mold(s) and the sourcing of windows but what I do not have are exact measurements of an actual hardtop.

Once I get these I will be able to scale the overall down to be relative in size to the 35 footer so hopefully about a 20% reduction overall will also be reflected in the existing screen so that the finished product should make my 352 look like a 42 footer,................. which is a bit further away...

There are very subtle points with the existing screens which are part of the creation of the pleasing proportions of Hallberg Rassys rather like the proportions of Georgian houses, and the relationship of noses to faces, I think if I can recreate these measurements I should end up with something that looks right on the boat....

Thanks
 
Not sure but 46 is about the smallest I'e seen one on. Why don't you just trade up? - I'm sure you'd find the extra bit of length handy!
Seriously - you could end up with a real buggers muddle and seriously devalue your fine boat.
 
claymore said:
Not sure but 46 is about the smallest I'e seen one on. Why don't you just trade up? - I'm sure you'd find the extra bit of length handy!
Seriously - you could end up with a real buggers muddle and seriously devalue your fine boat.
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Trading up is a non runner. several images of them on 40ish footers.

They are removable and I have the windscreen so no devaluation.

I had to look up "Buggers Muddle", although I suspected one of these would be bad...
BUGGER'S MUDDLE -- "a bugger's muddle -- n. British. an absolute mess. A phrase which was in armed-service and middle-class use in the 1950s and although sounding dated, survives."

I doubt it will look too bad they are fitted in a similar fashion on a kutter 94 which I feel look terrible but not hugely objectionable, but would obviously look better if lowered significantly...

https://www.boats24.com/sailboat/mo.../414596/94-mit-volvo-penta-md-2040-motor.html

The real question at this stage is if I scale it to match the HR hard top design angled and curved to match, or will it be too low to function. or will it block my vision when standing...
 
If it was feasible to do it and make it look good, don't you think HR would have offered it as an option?

If you do go ahead, please ensure that it can be easily removed to restore the boat to its original state, otherwise you may make it very difficult to sell when the time comes.
 
Hr offer as an option on the larger models, it seems the cost is relatively high even then,,,

I am not sure that if you arrived with an open cheque book that you would not sail off with one on any boat you wanted....
 
pvb said:
HR have steadfastly refused to customise their boats over the years. Standard options only.
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Agree that is their policy. Would guess the reason they did not offer one is because it is impractical. The reason they look OK on the larger models is because you need the size to carry the bulk and make it practical to work. Just scaling down will not necessarily work.
 
pandos said:
I doubt it will look too bad they are fitted in a similar fashion on a kutter 94 which I feel look terrible but not hugely objectionable, but would obviously look better if lowered significantly...

https://www.boats24.com/sailboat/mo.../414596/94-mit-volvo-penta-md-2040-motor.html
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That link is an example of the forward-sloping windowed wheelhouse, which I have (and love dearly), and is certainly less visually attractive than the later, rear-sloping version. With such a tall dog-house on a 31' hull it is indeed no beauty but designed as a motorsailer - the only one HR produced - that even a tall person can stand at the wheel, and cannot be compared to any other model in the HR range. However, it is extremely practical in its class.

The diagram below shows both versions and illustrates the difference:

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coopec said:
Pandos

Have you had a look at this site?

http://www.lizardheadone.com/projects.html

http://hallbergrassyrasmusownersass...04/hardtopwindshield-propane-tanks-solar.html

http://sednahr35.blogspot.com/2018/04/making-hard-dodger.html

https://www.google.com.au/search?bi...i22i30k1j33i160k1j33i22i29i30k1.0.uKMexmnoaxU
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Excellent links, I think they prove that scaled properly and constructed in similar manner to the original HR version then it would not look bad at all....Especially the scale of Mary Annie..

The 3rd one where the hat piece is simply put on top of the screen is practical and the right overall size but not the option I will be following also.

Thanks to all for the positive contributions...
 
Barnac1e said:
That link is an example of the forward-sloping windowed wheelhouse, which I have (and love dearly), and is certainly less visually attractive than the later, rear-sloping version. With such a tall dog-house on a 31' hull it is indeed no beauty but designed as a motorsailer - the only one HR produced - that even a tall person can stand at the wheel, and cannot be compared to any other model in the HR range. However, it is extremely practical in its class.

The diagram below shows both versions and illustrates the difference:

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Thanks for the images, Yes the rearward slant is visually much better, I really like the Kutters and when I am older and less able always thought one would be great, but my view of them has improved lately having watched a youtube review of their sailing abilities in poor weather.

Hope my last reference to them was not seen as negative, they are certainly purposeful looking but I think a bit lower would not function so well but would look a bit better....
 
The HR Rasmus has a hard top which is fixed to the boat with set screws. It occurred to me once while sitting at the wheel in bouncy weather, that a freak wave would throw the contraption in my face.
 
"that a freak wave would throw the contraption in my face".

That's my worry too. That I think would be one reason for going for a "soft" (canvas) dodger. But I'm still thinking about it...........
 
BurnitBlue said:
The HR Rasmus has a hard top which is fixed to the boat with set screws. It occurred to me once while sitting at the wheel in bouncy weather, that a freak wave would throw the contraption in my face.
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The windscreens are also held on with only a few screws, but their shape and size and the quality of the substrate provide tremendous holding.

When you walk on streets consider how little holds up the brick faces of modern buildings..... I'll take my chance with a hardtop any day.... in reality I think anything strong enough to pull the contraption off would cause it to fail in part, twist, break the glass and thereby the wind would lose much its purchase....

I might be worried if it was glazed with perspex or the like...
 
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