KINGFISHER 9
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Sell the kids ........ get the Twister! ... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
halcyon / elizabethan / twister?
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Poignard
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Yes!!
Prioritize
Prioritize
halcyon
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That's why I sail a Halcyon 27 /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Brian
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That's why I sail a Halcyon 27 /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Brian
homa
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Shipman 28
Have a look at the Shipman 28 (actually 29 foot overall)
They were build in Ireland so you should have no trouble finding examples.
One of the prettiest boats I have owned. Have very fond memories of mine. Always complemented on her lines wherever we went in her. Sailed really well. And no problem singlehanded.
Can sum it up as a "poor man's Contessa 32"
Should comfortably find a Shipman 28 within your budget with spare cash to spend on extras.
Good luck in your search. Always the fun part - the looking for your next boat.
Have a look at the Shipman 28 (actually 29 foot overall)
They were build in Ireland so you should have no trouble finding examples.
One of the prettiest boats I have owned. Have very fond memories of mine. Always complemented on her lines wherever we went in her. Sailed really well. And no problem singlehanded.
Can sum it up as a "poor man's Contessa 32"
Should comfortably find a Shipman 28 within your budget with spare cash to spend on extras.
Good luck in your search. Always the fun part - the looking for your next boat.
ebbtide
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
Sadly, the inputs in this sort of debate are almost nullified by the passion that owners have for the boats that they have owned (just like their women - oops!).
And equally sadly they have little experience of other boats.
Very few of you have chartered extensively and gained sufficient perspective to make the objective assessment that delivery skippers also would have.
But designs have changed since David Thomas' era and a different style of sailing is involved, with the implications of big-beam boats which may not carry their canvas in the oldfashioned way.
You pays your money . . .
Sadly, the inputs in this sort of debate are almost nullified by the passion that owners have for the boats that they have owned (just like their women - oops!).
And equally sadly they have little experience of other boats.
Very few of you have chartered extensively and gained sufficient perspective to make the objective assessment that delivery skippers also would have.
But designs have changed since David Thomas' era and a different style of sailing is involved, with the implications of big-beam boats which may not carry their canvas in the oldfashioned way.
You pays your money . . .
Skylark
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I faced a similar conumdrum around 2000. I spent a whole season chasing up and down the country in pusuit of a sub-30 footer in good condition for similar budget. In the event, I found my next purchase in Sweden. 29 ft, long keel, very sturdy build quality and in excellent condition. Great adventure to bring her back to the UK via the Keel Canal, too.
Not sure about the SwKr Fx these days but the Swedes make very high quality, very safe boats. There's a lot of them about, too so price reflects availability.
Just a thought........
Not sure about the SwKr Fx these days but the Swedes make very high quality, very safe boats. There's a lot of them about, too so price reflects availability.
Just a thought........
Poignard
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
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And equally sadly they have little experience of other boats.
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A sweeping, and unjustifiable, statement.
I'm not qualified to judge the experience of others who have posted, any more than you are, but I have sailed on all kinds of charter yachts, crewed on friends' boats and owned three of my own.
Price, and running costs, limit the choice of what I can own but I am very happy with the Twister. The only inconvenience is the difficulty of manouvering her astern but that's a long way from being an insurmountable problem. The accomodation is perfectly adequate for two and seaworthiness is excellent [a Twister recently returned from a single-handed voyage to Cape Horn].
We have owned ours for 12 years and have no wish to replace her.
The point is that she doesn't cost much to run and we get a lot of pleasure cruising her, which seems to be what the original poster is looking for.
As you say "you pays your money...". We did and we took our choice, and we haven't regretted it.
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And equally sadly they have little experience of other boats.
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A sweeping, and unjustifiable, statement.
I'm not qualified to judge the experience of others who have posted, any more than you are, but I have sailed on all kinds of charter yachts, crewed on friends' boats and owned three of my own.
Price, and running costs, limit the choice of what I can own but I am very happy with the Twister. The only inconvenience is the difficulty of manouvering her astern but that's a long way from being an insurmountable problem. The accomodation is perfectly adequate for two and seaworthiness is excellent [a Twister recently returned from a single-handed voyage to Cape Horn].
We have owned ours for 12 years and have no wish to replace her.
The point is that she doesn't cost much to run and we get a lot of pleasure cruising her, which seems to be what the original poster is looking for.
As you say "you pays your money...". We did and we took our choice, and we haven't regretted it.
Robin
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Sadly, the inputs in this sort of debate are almost nullified by the passion that owners have for the boats that they have owned (just like their women - oops!).
And equally sadly they have little experience of other boats.
Very few of you have chartered extensively and gained sufficient perspective to make the objective assessment that delivery skippers also would have.
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Bolleaux, complete and utter but consistent.
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Sadly, the inputs in this sort of debate are almost nullified by the passion that owners have for the boats that they have owned (just like their women - oops!).
And equally sadly they have little experience of other boats.
Very few of you have chartered extensively and gained sufficient perspective to make the objective assessment that delivery skippers also would have.
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Bolleaux, complete and utter but consistent.
cumbrian
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
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Sadly, the inputs in this sort of debate are almost nullified by the passion that owners have for the boats that they have owned (just like their women - oops!)...
But designs have changed since David Thomas' era and a different style of sailing is involved, with the implications of big-beam boats which may not carry their canvas in the oldfashioned way.
You pays your money . . .
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don't see anything wrong with the "passion" Malaprop and not sure what point you are then making - my search is indeed for a more "satisfying" boat - which i guess would tend to be of a style similarly appreciated by others.
we can take it for granted that the boats on my original list have their devotees - with good reason no doubt - and hearing their pros and cons is helpful - the point of the post being to learn from wide opinion as well as "expert"-ise
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Sadly, the inputs in this sort of debate are almost nullified by the passion that owners have for the boats that they have owned (just like their women - oops!)...
But designs have changed since David Thomas' era and a different style of sailing is involved, with the implications of big-beam boats which may not carry their canvas in the oldfashioned way.
You pays your money . . .
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don't see anything wrong with the "passion" Malaprop and not sure what point you are then making - my search is indeed for a more "satisfying" boat - which i guess would tend to be of a style similarly appreciated by others.
we can take it for granted that the boats on my original list have their devotees - with good reason no doubt - and hearing their pros and cons is helpful - the point of the post being to learn from wide opinion as well as "expert"-ise
Poignard
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
Perhaps you can get a trial sail on some of the classes you are interested in. Might help you decide what suits you.
Perhaps you can get a trial sail on some of the classes you are interested in. Might help you decide what suits you.
absit_omen
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
Have you thought about the Albin Vega.
Bulletproof, sails like a witch, several have circumnavigated, sleeps four very comfortably, should find a decent one for sub £10k.
Bit quirky astern as the prop is aft of the rudder but, hey, what's wrong with meeting a few observers in the marina?
Have you thought about the Albin Vega.
Bulletproof, sails like a witch, several have circumnavigated, sleeps four very comfortably, should find a decent one for sub £10k.
Bit quirky astern as the prop is aft of the rudder but, hey, what's wrong with meeting a few observers in the marina?
PeteCooper
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
PM sent.
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MarkJohnson12345
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Can confirm Simons comments on the halcon 27.
My Eilidh was a terrific sea boat, but not comfortable for serious cruising.
Depends on what you want froma boat I guess.
My Eilidh was a terrific sea boat, but not comfortable for serious cruising.
Depends on what you want froma boat I guess.
David_Jersey
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I have never been on one /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.......so no idea on sailing ability or build quality, but from the late 60's / early 70's..........and designed by Alan Buchanan.
http://www.classifieds.aol.com/frame/1038584430/
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1972/Offshore-Yachts-Clipper-31-1836419/United-Kingdom
......the reason I mention her is because of the clipper bow /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Size wise I think she is more of a 29 footer than a 31.......
http://www.classifieds.aol.com/frame/1038584430/
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1972/Offshore-Yachts-Clipper-31-1836419/United-Kingdom
......the reason I mention her is because of the clipper bow /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Size wise I think she is more of a 29 footer than a 31.......
absit_omen
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cumbrian
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
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Have you thought about the Albin Vega.
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aye - there's one locally that i'll take a peek at.
also considered the nantucket David but put off by that second mast... (i like what i know)
PM was for me anteak
despite there being so few posts on the Liz 30/29, Robin makes a convincing case for the 30
halcyon coming up trumps for votes in seaworthyness (no offence twisterites) but rerservations about space seem to be popping up
of course, Twisterowner is right - go sail em. (was that an offer?) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Have you thought about the Albin Vega.
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aye - there's one locally that i'll take a peek at.
also considered the nantucket David but put off by that second mast... (i like what i know)
PM was for me anteak
despite there being so few posts on the Liz 30/29, Robin makes a convincing case for the 30
halcyon coming up trumps for votes in seaworthyness (no offence twisterites) but rerservations about space seem to be popping up
of course, Twisterowner is right - go sail em. (was that an offer?) /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
sailorman
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i was one of the 3 chaps who fitted-out the prototype /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
halcyon
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Re: so we\'re still at it then!
It is a case of take a look, and then decide for yourself, I think.
We find space fine on the Halcyon, and the previous owners spent 3 years onboard doing the Atlantic circuit without a problem. Then as some have said they are cramped, so it's very much a personal thing.
Brian
It is a case of take a look, and then decide for yourself, I think.
We find space fine on the Halcyon, and the previous owners spent 3 years onboard doing the Atlantic circuit without a problem. Then as some have said they are cramped, so it's very much a personal thing.
Brian
PeteCooper
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Sorry - it was sent to and received by the OP.
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Sorry - it was sent to and received by the OP.
doug748
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I always enjoy the elbowing involved in a good "Which boat?" post, so here is my tuppence worth.
I don't doubt that you can get a Twister or Liz 30 for £15,000 but getting one at that price that does not need 5/10k spending on it would be difficult. Better to get a smaller boat in better nick maybe? Lots of Eliz 29s around at that price (one next to me in the boatyard that would go for much less, yet looks good).
These (and some of the others mentioned) are not racing boats and their performance in light airs may frustrate you (check out the Portsmouth Yardstick ratings for the full story).
The other advantage of the slightly more modern and bigger designs is space. This often manifests itself in the galley, chart table and saloon. If people can get past whilst the galley / chart table / saloon seating is in use the boat suddenly has a much more roomy feel. So if you do stretch to an Elizebethan 30 you will appreciate the difference. A Contessa 28 may also suit though these, again, can be expensive.
How about an Aperge (already briefly mentioned). Ticks all the boxes and a good number available at the right price. Check out the foam cored deck carefully, and you have a fast go-anywhere boat within your budget.
I don't doubt that you can get a Twister or Liz 30 for £15,000 but getting one at that price that does not need 5/10k spending on it would be difficult. Better to get a smaller boat in better nick maybe? Lots of Eliz 29s around at that price (one next to me in the boatyard that would go for much less, yet looks good).
These (and some of the others mentioned) are not racing boats and their performance in light airs may frustrate you (check out the Portsmouth Yardstick ratings for the full story).
The other advantage of the slightly more modern and bigger designs is space. This often manifests itself in the galley, chart table and saloon. If people can get past whilst the galley / chart table / saloon seating is in use the boat suddenly has a much more roomy feel. So if you do stretch to an Elizebethan 30 you will appreciate the difference. A Contessa 28 may also suit though these, again, can be expensive.
How about an Aperge (already briefly mentioned). Ticks all the boxes and a good number available at the right price. Check out the foam cored deck carefully, and you have a fast go-anywhere boat within your budget.