Haines 350 / Broom 35cl

[Greg2]

Looked at a Haines 350 with a single Nanni 280hp - nice boat. Have an idea from the broker on how they are at sea but wondering if anyone on here has any knowledge or experience? Same hull as the Broom 35 cl.

Think the engine is from Toyota Landcruiser marinised by Nanni so thinking it should be okay.

Not expecting speed - thinking maybe 8-10 knot cruise? Perhaps a bit rolly as they have round-ish hull shape aft?

Any knowledge / exepeinence would be appreciated.

 

[Montemar]

The Broom Owners club has info on the 35CL and its hull is classed as semi-displacement. It seems that this hull shape is seaworthy but more rolly than a planing hull.

 

[Greg2]

The Broom Owners club has info on the 35CL and its hull is classed as semi-displacement. It seems that this hull shape is seaworthy but more rolly than a planing hull.

Thanks.. We know Brooms quite well and the CL range, particularly the 38 and the 42 are known to be excellent sea boats but not sure if the 35 was a similar design. It has been suggested that it is more like to old Ocean/Crown/Continental 37 with rounder bilges aft. Can’t seem to find any definitive information - apparently Broom overpowered one and it planed on its keel at high speeds - Haines have been careful in matching engines to the hull from what I have found out so far.

 

[pks1702]

Had a friend that had a 35CL in all ways just a shorter version of the larger boats.

Very well behaved and with the CL keel great at low speeds.

I would have thought a perfect 'crossover' boat.

I love my 42CL and think if we were doing Broads/Coastal in the future a 35CL would be a target as a perfect craft for this purpose.

Engine choice was 62-340HP.

 

[Newbroom]

Thanks.. We know Brooms quite well and the CL range, particularly the 38 and the 42 are known to be excellent sea boats but not sure if the 35 was a similar design. It has been suggested that it is more like to old Ocean/Crown/Continental 37 with rounder bilges aft. Can’t seem to find any definitive information - apparently Broom overpowered one and it played on its keel at high speeds - Haines have been careful in matching engines to the hull from what I have found out so far.

Not that careful helped a pal out on his new 36 and it was terrible at high speed, riding on the keel and then falling off to one side or the other fine upto about 14 knots.

 

[Greg2]

Had a friend that had a 35CL in all ways just a shorter version of the larger boats.

Very well behaved and with the CL keel great at low speeds.

I would have thought a perfect 'crossover' boat.

I love my 42CL and think if we were doing Broads/Coastal in the future a 35CL would be a target as a perfect craft for this purpose.

Engine choice was 62-340HP.

Thanks, interesting and informative. We love the 42 - last boat was a 41 so full planing hull as opposed to semi-displacement....an excellent sea boat and we loved it. Original plan was to get a 38 but the one we were interested in went before we sold. Been all round the houses since then trying to decide what to get and at one point came very close to making an offer on a 42 but we wanted a little smaller. If we get a another mobo the 35 feels about right but still considering a yacht......

 

[Greg2]

Not that careful helped a pal out on his new 36 and it was terrible at high speed, riding on the keel and then falling off to one side or the other fine upto about 14 knots.

That’s interesting. Don’t think it would be an issue on the 350 with the 280hp as 14 knots would be around top end I think

 

[Montemar]

Not that careful helped a pal out on his new 36 and it was terrible at high speed, riding on the keel and then falling off to one side or the other fine upto about 14 knots.

I do not understand what "riding on the keel" is, would you kindly explain? I presume the keel means the minimal keel for river stability that is about 12" or so deep at the transom?

 

[andrewbarker]

Used to happen on my Ranger 36 with a vestigial keel. It had 2x300hp engines and would literally plane up on the flat bottom of the keel. This, of course, was highly unstable. Then it would fall off and veer to one side or the other. Not nice at all.

 

[Newbroom]

Used to happen on my Ranger 36 with a vestigial keel. It had 2x300hp engines and would literally plane up on the flat bottom of the keel. This, of course, was highly unstable. Then it would fall off and veer to one side or the other. Not nice at all.

Explains it exactly. Very skittish and uncomfortable.

 

[Montemar]

Thank you. It sounds highly undesirable.

 

[Fredd]

I just bought a 35cl , got it last Friday and she has the largest engine option ,twin 170 yanmars .
We had looked at the 38 as well but felt it was just a little to big , the 35 gives nearly as much space minus the lower dinette and has much easier access with the moulded steps at the stern .
When MBM tested it in 2000 it was with these engines and they did say at the time that they were proberly to powerful for it if you didn't take care , BUT ,they did take it out in a Force 5 wind against tide with 6ft waves and pushed it at 18/19 knots . They said that she was perfectly happy at going into the waves forward of the beam but was very wayward going down wind but if you trottled back to the low teens she settled down and was fine . Equally in their conclusion they said that the larger engines give a good reserve of power if you're heavily loaded or you just wanted to make a run for somewhere .
I have the review for both the Broom and the Haines and they tested the Haines with the 280hp engine , if you want a copy of them let me know and I can scan and email them .

 

[Greg2]

I just bought a 35cl , got it last Friday and she has the largest engine option ,twin 170 yanmars .
We had looked at the 38 as well but felt it was just a little to big , the 35 gives nearly as much space minus the lower dinette and has much easier access with the moulded steps at the stern .
When MBM tested it in 2000 it was with these engines and they did say at the time that they were proberly to powerful for it if you didn't take care , BUT ,they did take it out in a Force 5 wind against tide with 6ft waves and pushed it at 18/19 knots . They said that she was perfectly happy at going into the waves forward of the beam but was very wayward going down wind but if you trottled back to the low teens she settled down and was fine . Equally in their conclusion they said that the larger engines give a good reserve of power if you're heavily loaded or you just wanted to make a run for somewhere .
I have the review for both the Broom and the Haines and they tested the Haines with the 280hp engine , if you want a copy of them let me know and I can scan and email them .

Thanks, very helpful.p and congrats on the new boat. PM sent

 

[miket]

The designer, Andrew Wolstenholme, was very careful to advise Broom on the maximum power suited to the hull and I believe the twin Yanmar 170 option was dropped by Broom and replaced by 2x 130’s. For the Broom version, I believe the preferred choice for inland and coastal was a single Perkins Sabre 135 hp. Obviously only displacement speeds.
Not sure the purpose of a single 280 hp but as an owner of a Haines 32os Sedan with a single 270 Nanni perhaps similar, but mine is the offshore version which had a different hull, underwater. Mine tops out at 18+ kts with sensible cruising at 14. But the Sedan only weighs in at 5.5 tons. I would imagine you can add at least another 1.5 tons for the aft cabin etc.
“Chine Riding” was I believe the term used for planing on the underside of the keel. As the keel is very narrow the boat could “flop” from one chine to the other, making things rather uncomfortable. The answer is to throttle back until it stops! Not rocket science and nice to have the reserve of power for when the bottom gets a bit dirty or you are well loaded.
Haines make a very nice product. We are delighted with ours.

 

[Greg2]

The designer, Andrew Wolstenholme, was very careful to advise Broom on the maximum power suited to the hull and I believe the twin Yanmar 170 option was dropped by Broom and replaced by 2x 130’s. For the Broom version, I believe the preferred choice for inland and coastal was a single Perkins Sabre 135 hp. Obviously only displacement speeds.
Not sure the purpose of a single 280 hp but as an owner of a Haines 32os Sedan with a single 270 Nanni perhaps similar, but mine is the offshore version which had a different hull, underwater. Mine tops out at 18+ kts with sensible cruising at 14. But the Sedan only weighs in at 5.5 tons. I would imagine you can add at least another 1.5 tons for the aft cabin etc.
“Chine Riding” was I believe the term used for planing on the underside of the keel. As the keel is very narrow the boat could “flop” from one chine to the other, making things rather uncomfortable. The answer is to throttle back until it stops! Not rocket science and nice to have the reserve of power for when the bottom gets a bit dirty or you are well loaded.
Haines make a very nice product. We are delighted with ours.

Thanks for responding. We moved onwith our thinking and ended up with a Sealine S34, which we love. May well come back to a Broom/Haines at some point - SWMBO really likes the Haines 32 so that may ultimately be an option - lovely boat! We know Haines as they are local and agree that they know how to put a boat together.

 

[miket]

Had a friend with an S34 when it was only a few years old and at sale time had some grief with stress fracturing on the spray rails, which came up in the buyer’s survey. It seems from a post on ybw, motor boat forum, that Sealine are more prone to this than other manufacturers and in some instances can create difficulties in selling. I am sure you had a survey done and equally sure this will have been one of their main areas of investigation?
The Haines 32 Sedan is very nice for a grumpy old man like me. Walk on to the bathing platform, in through the back door and apart from 2 steps down to the galley and fwd cabin area, all one level.
Ours is the Offshore version which has different underwater hull and a 270 hp Nanni. Goes very well!

 

[Greg2]

Had a friend with an S34 when it was only a few years old and at sale time had some grief with stress fracturing on the spray rails, which came up in the buyer’s survey. It seems from a post on ybw, motor boat forum, that Sealine are more prone to this than other manufacturers and in some instances can create difficulties in selling. I am sure you had a survey done and equally sure this will have been one of their main areas of investigation?
The Haines 32 Sedan is very nice for a grumpy old man like me. Walk on to the bathing platform, in through the back door and apart from 2 steps down to the galley and fwd cabin area, all one level.
Ours is the Offshore version which has different underwater hull and a 270 hp Nanni. Goes very well!

Yes, I am very well versed with the vagaries of Sealine - some that know me can’t quite believe that we bought one

We tend to do our homework and have, in the past, walked away from some, including a deal on an S41. In reality, Sealine built many great boats and the S34 is one of them. Actually very few problems with this model and the reported issues tend to be with higher powered boats that have probably been driven hard. It is our fifth boat, so not our first rodeo, and we think it is a great boat,. The previous four were a Princess 32, a Broom Ocean 37, a Fairline Targa 35 and a Broom 41 so we have something to benchmark it against