GT35 versus Rustler37

oldvarnish said:
v good photography, but a film spoilt by the use of irrelevant music.

Have a look at 7.09 minutes in and see the precarious position adopted by the guy winding the winch. This is a common winching position on many boats, including mine. Later you see him with his knees braced against the cockpit coaming. I have to do this also.

When is someone going to design a boat where the winches can be wound comfortably and safely when the boat is well heeled?
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Winding the winch while straddling the coaming is the most efficient position: you can properly get your weight and your power over the winch. It looks more precarious than it is, probably. I have to do it on my boat as well and have never felt insecure, with my outboard foot wedged firmly against the toerail. But I have to admit that I always keep a sharp eye on other crew in that same position.
Maybe that Dehler solution of a central winch in the cockpit deserves to be revisited and developed? But then how are you going to square that with that contemporary trend of walk-through, twin-wheel cockpits? Not that I'm in favour of these, do not get me wrong. :cool:
 
malindi said:
Do I understand that the GT35 is fitted with a Sail Drive?. I thought it was supposed to be a serious go any where boat
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Yes, it has a saildrive. Lots of manufacturers use saildrives as they're quick to install and help keep the boat price down. Oh...
 
I'm a bit puzzled why anyone would buy either boat when you can get another stephen jones design, the startlight 35, for 70k second hand. Biut of cash to spruce it up and you have a lovely boat and enough spare for a Ferrari
 
sailorman said:
Westerly Storm,UFO 31,34 & as it happens Oyster 37
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On my last boat I could run the jib sheets across the cockpit and winch them from the "uphill" side. It cluttered things a bit, but it made things a lot easier when singlehanding. I'm thinking of adding a couple of hefty cheek block to my current boat to make it possible on her as well.
 
birdseye said:
I'm a bit puzzled why anyone would buy either boat when you can get another stephen jones design, the startlight 35, for 70k second hand. Biut of cash to spruce it up and you have a lovely boat and enough spare for a Ferrari
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If you can afford a few hundred thousand for a new boat you probably have a Ferrari already.

And people with a few hundred thousand for either tend not to do "sprucing".

Besides, having a boat built new for you is a wonderful experience.
 
Ex-SolentBoy said:
If you can afford a few hundred thousand for a new boat you probably have a Ferrari already.

And people with a few hundred thousand for either tend not to do "sprucing".

Besides, having a boat built new for you is a wonderful experience.
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Not necessarily so. You can be a multi millionaire and still not like the idea of paying silly money for a new ferrari or a new boat even if there is the experience of having it built for you. I suspect that the latter would be an exercise in frustrtaion, arguments, disagreements and complaints. Just like having a house built in fact.

I suspect that people who have had to work hard for their money find it difficult to throw it away however much they have.

doris said:
If you are buying a Rustler you probably have a Morgan, perhaps with a white scarf and a wire coat hanger!
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Not entirely sure what you are saying there. I have been trying Morgans recently in a vain search for something to replace my Lotus. They are crude, poorly made and perform badly. More akin to an old wooden 4 tonner. But just like you can get a Porsche that performs way better but lacks soul, so you can get a characterless foreign made boat that performs better than a Rustler.
 
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birdseye said:
Not entirely sure what you are saying there. I have been trying Morgans recently in a vain search for something to replace my Lotus. They are crude, poorly made and perform badly. More akin to an old wooden 4 tonner. But just like you can get a Porsche that performs way better but lacks soul, so you can get a characterless foreign made boat that performs better than a Rustler.
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Cars are just machines, some with better functionality than others, ditto boats. Neither have souls, unless perhaps if you some kind of happy clappy post modern fundamentalist Buddhist. The last Morgan I drove was well put together but belonged in the seventies. As do Rustlers, IMHO, as they are too heavy for their size due to build techiques that are outdated, their volumes are constrained for their external dimensions and they have an interior akin to a 1930s gentlemans club. Hence they are floating Morgans.

The white scarf with the hanger is to convince the owner of his elegance and speed.

And yes I have had a Porsche and it did exactly what it was supposed to do, no more no less.
 
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doris said:
Cars are just machines, some with better functionality than others, ditto boats. Neither have souls, unless perhaps if you some kind of happy clappy post modern fundamentalist Buddhist. The last Morgan I drove was well put together but belonged in the seventies. As do Rustlers, IMHO, as they are too heavy for their size due to build techiques that are outdated, their volumes are constrained for their external dimensions and they have an interior akin to a 1930s gentlemans club. Hence they are floating Morgans.

The white scarf with the hanger is to convince the owner of his elegance and speed.

And yes I have had a Porsche and it did exactly what it was supposed to do, no more no less.
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Clearly someone who hasn't been on a Rustler, or in a 1930's Gentleman's club recently. :ambivalence:
 
doris said:
Cars are just machines, some with better functionality than others, ditto boats. Neither have souls, unless perhaps if you some kind of happy clappy post modern fundamentalist Buddhist. .
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Well if you had a porker I can understand. But to say that a Ferrari doesnt have soul? Are you an accountant?:ambivalence:
 
birdseye said:
Well if you had a porker I can understand. But to say that a Ferrari doesnt have soul? Are you an accountant?:ambivalence:
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I'm not so sure; a friend of mine bought a mint F40 a couple of years ago, great (but dated) chassis with no driver aids. It's frighteningly, gut wrenchingly awesome to drive. But the newer ones? ...great cars of course, but soul?
 
dom said:
I'm not so sure; a friend of mine bought a mint F40 a couple of years ago, great (but dated) chassis with no driver aids. It's frighteningly, gut wrenchingly awesome to drive. But the newer ones? ...great cars of course, but soul?
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Over the years, I've had 3, and they've been the only cars which felt really special, which brought a grin so readily, which made the hairs on my neck stand up. Just getting one out of the garage had a sense of occasion. The sound, the smell, the quirky details. We took one of them back to the factory one hot summer, fabulous drives through spectacular scenery, and the amazingly raw sound of going through the tunnels! I reckon there's a bit of soul still lurking in even the latest ones.
 
pvb said:
The sound, the smell, the quirky details ...fabulous drives through spectacular scenery, and the amazingly raw sound of going through the tunnels!
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Bit like what I feel like right now as I race towards London Waterloo on the 7:26am SouthWestTrains express :(
It's a lovely thought though :)
 
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