Greek taxes - update

sailaboutvic said:
Thanks for clarifying that Jim for me .
I throughout the Spanish law applied to people time in the country and not the boat , I must have it wrong ,
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It's both, actually. Their law requires that boats staying longer than 180 days should be "imported". They chase this vigorously for those who are tax resident in Spain (more than 182 days per tax year). They seem to be less worried about boats "in transit" - depends which region they're in.
 
Cardo said:
Ok, so, just to clarify, as we are leaving for Italy from Corfu in a week's time, we do NOT have to pay the PP a visit to check out?
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No, you don't.

I've just finished revising all the Greek regualtions pages on my site, trying to make all the new procedures clear.

I hope I've got it all right, but please let me know if there are any ambiguities or mistakes! Easiest way is to add a comment to http://www.jimbsail.info/greece , though you have to log on to the site to add comments (stops spammers . . . )
 
jimbaerselman said:
It's both, actually. Their law requires that boats staying longer than 180 days should be "imported". They chase this vigorously for those who are tax resident in Spain (more than 182 days per tax year). They seem to be less worried about boats "in transit" - depends which region they're in.
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Here a link to their new fancy booklet they are given out , I not found it much use but you may find some bit interesting for your site Jim .

www.yachting.yen.gr

www.bluewatersailorcroatia.webs.com
 
jimbaerselman said:
No, you don't.

I've just finished revising all the Greek regualtions pages on my site, trying to make all the new procedures clear.

I hope I've got it all right, but please let me know if there are any ambiguities or mistakes! Easiest way is to add a comment to http://www.jimbsail.info/greece , though you have to log on to the site to add comments (stops spammers . . . )
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so, you are telling Cardo to update you if, by taking your advice, on the basis of "I hope I got it all right", he gets into local difficulties or gets fined. I for one, find that a bit "rich"!
 
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Waste of money but think how many meetings and revisions it took for PP to actually get round to publishing that leaflet when they could have been stamping things and writings in big ledgers -:)
 
Steve C Cronin said:
so, you are telling Cardo to update you if, by taking your advice, on the basis of "I hope I got it all right", he gets into local difficulties or gets fined. I for one, find that a bit "rich"!
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A neat example of creating an imaginary disaster, blaming its occurrence on a third party, and misquoting the third party to prove guilt. I did not "tell" Cardo. I asked, with a "please". He has not been fined.

Why do that?

Every pilot book, web site or other publication giving advice about ports and local regulations to cruising folk has a disclaimer saying, usually in several paragraphs of dense and unintelligible legalese "things change and this may contain mistakes, so check our advice with definitive sources, tell us of any mistakes"

Do you find all these publications 'a bit "rich" ' ?
 
Getting signed out is no big deal.....provided your documentation is all present and correct.....so why not play it safe and just DO it.....At least then there is less chance next spring ..or whenever......if/when you arrive back in Greece.... of being asked for tax in arrears as well as tax in advance. Its just common sense really...Cardo
 
NOHOH said:
Getting signed out is no big deal.....provided your documentation is all present and correct.....so why not play it safe and just DO it.....At least then there is less chance next spring ..or whenever......if/when you arrive back in Greece.... of being asked for tax in arrears as well as tax in advance. Its just common sense really...Cardo
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I tried but they wouldn't let me.
 
It seems people are missing the point here.

Under the new regs, one stamp in the DEKPA is permission to cruise in Greek waters as and when they want for the next 12 months with no further stamps required. Tax free at the moment.

If and when the tax is implemented, the next stamp won't be given until money changes hands. That next stamp will be valid for a month, or a year, depending on the size of your boat and how much you pay.

Any port police saying anything different are not obeying regulations
 
jimbaerselman said:
A neat example of creating an imaginary disaster, blaming its occurrence on a third party, and misquoting the third party to prove guilt. I did not "tell" Cardo. I asked, with a "please". He has not been fined.

Why do that?

Every pilot book, web site or other publication giving advice about ports and local regulations to cruising folk has a disclaimer saying, usually in several paragraphs of dense and unintelligible legalese "things change and this may contain mistakes, so check our advice with definitive sources, tell us of any mistakes"

Do you find all these publications 'a bit "rich" ' ?
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But your words weren't in a commercially available book, they were on a forum supposedly intended for the exchange of ideas and information between private parties.
 
I had no trouble signing out.... I explained we were leaving Greece..for Italy..and wanted to be able to prove that we had left legally.......and that it would avoid confusion about where we had and hadn`t been between then and the next time we needed a stamp..........Just covering ourselves....we know how `greekiness` can be (and its usually great...but there are times when it isn`t...and not all PP seem to have read the same rule book)
 
NOHOH said:
I had no trouble signing out.... I explained we were leaving Greece..for Italy..and wanted to be able to prove that we had left legally.......and that it would avoid confusion about where we had and hadn`t been between then and the next time we needed a stamp..........Just covering ourselves....we know how `greekiness` can be (and its usually great...but there are times when it isn`t...and not all PP seem to have read the same rule book)
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When you say they sign you out , what do you mean ,( they stamp your card ) or did they give you some kind of other paper work , I 13 /15 years I not yet met anyone or know any one who got stamp out in from for officially paper work , as far as In know it only been a stamp the same stamp you normally get .
Please correct me if I am wrong .

As far as prove goes that I have been out of Greece over the winter , I always keep my last two winter marina contact

www.bluewatersailorcroatia.webs.com
 
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What I mean Vic is that the DEKPA is arranged in double columns. of `boxes`labelled....ON ARRIVAL.....ON DEPARTURE... and each one is stamped by the port police and in the ON DEPARTURE column is written your destination.(.In this case "ITALIA")...the number of persons on board and the date. The PP also put their own signature in the same `box`.

I take that as `being signed out` of the country........as any further port police I encounter would see where I was supposed to be/be going ...for example if I got stopped by a patrol boat
 
NOHOH said:
What I mean Vic is that the DEKPA is arranged in double columns. of `boxes`labelled....ON ARRIVAL.....ON DEPARTURE... and each one is stamped by the port police and in the ON DEPARTURE column is written your destination.(.In this case "ITALIA")...the number of persons on board and the date. The PP also put their own signature in the same `box`.

I take that as `being signed out` of the country........as any further port police I encounter would see where I was supposed to be/be going ...for example if I got stopped by a patrol boat
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Well, actually, that format was once, around five years ago, explained to me by a PP officer in Katakolon.

You were supposed to, even if EU, report to the PP of ANY Greek port at which you had just arrived, within 30mins and before anyone went ashore. This gave you your "Entry" stamp. On intended departure, you needed to report at least two hours before your departure time for your leaving stamp and then, if you hadn't been visited by officers within the two hours, you were free to leave. Couldn't make it up, could you!
 
Ok...what does your DEKPA look like?...and when was it issued?...is it significantly different to mine?...which was issued in 2011
 
Steve C Cronin said:
I was talking to a German boat owner in Zea, last week. He is a member of the "Deutscher Segler Verband Kreuzerabtielung" their equivalent of a sort of RYA/CA. He confirmed that this association is also making very robust representations to the EU authorities in respect of this so-called tax.

Maybe if a third country's national organisations abandoned their sycophantic posture and joined in the fight, the Greeks could drop this nonsense which is of deep embarrassment to the average Greek in the street.

Currently berthed in Epidauros.
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So if the tax is never implemented, we did get significant changes in the law regarding PP activities which was the trade off for supporting the tax. So one dekpa stamp a year - no visits to PP, and at the moment - no one collecting port dies at all!

I doubt whether they would reverse them now.

Perhaps time for the CA to change tack a little (lot)?
 
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