Greek Cruising Tax

[chrisgee]

How nice to hear that the camaraderie of those who go down to the sea in boats is not lost.

For the record I have an 11 metre motorboat which looks set to attract a tax of EUR 3,450 a year - considerably more than my annual mooring in Gouvia marina. It also seems back dateable so I would be liable for 2 doses of this.
For the record, the boat is not a stinkpot, gin palace or superyacht, nor am I a rich man with money to burn. Oh and also I don't have a generator running in a harbour at all, never mind all night. What it means for me is that I will have to leave Greece which is a place I like very much because there is no way I can afford to pay this. That's my hard luck and I dont particularly crave sympathy but at the same time it does stick in my throat to hear people like you gloating over my misfortune. We are all fellow boaters and this kind of crass comment just displays a childish mentality shared by those who run their keys down the paintwork of cars which are bigger than theirs. Grow up.

Dear, dear, looks likes your cage had really been rattled. I was actually thinking more of 20,30,40m motor yachts whci do tend to run their gennies all night, not little ones like yours.
Presumably you pay for an annual berth in a marina, pay huge amounts to run your 2 x 370 HP engines although you don`t count as a "stinkboat" ( that`s if you actually go anywhere of course) and then moan about paying tax in one of the lowest cost boating areas around. It`s your choice , move somewhere else if you don`t like it.

 

[binch]

Nor should it.
Let's dwell a pause and see how it comes into force.

 

[CharlesSwallow]

I agree with you ,most of the large superyachts stock up in Athens from their wholesalers. and do not spend anything ,or very little, in the ports that they visit .These yacht are the type that this tax is intended to hit IMO

Unlikly though

cheers bobt

EXACTLY! So why should my neighbours, one with a modest 11.5metre powerboat and the other with 52footer pay the tax that GREEK TAX-EVADERS should be forced to pay. Let them re-organise their tax gathering system rather than take the easy way out.

To reply to your next post, No it won't affect me (just) but the sense of inequity riles me a lot.

Chas

 

[chrisgee]

EXACTLY! So why should my neighbours, one with a modest 11.5metre powerboat and the other with 52footer pay the tax that GREEK TAX-EVADERS should be forced to pay. Let them re-organise their tax gathering system rather than take the easy way out.

To reply to your next post, No it won't affect me (just) but the sense of inequity riles me a lot.

Chas

Agree with you about the inquality of it all but then taxes are never seen to be fair and the people who get lucky ( like us under 15m) will feel they have escaped and the others wont. The answer maybe is not to end up in a slanging match between boat users but our energy into thinking of ways to mitigate the tax , like maybe take boat(s) out of Greece for a day or two to Italy, or maybe Albania , ( that`s nearer) -- would this not break the 40 day "rule"? Even the fuel used would be cheaper than the tax.
Chris

 

[blueglass]

Dear, dear, looks likes your cage had really been rattled. I was actually thinking more of 20,30,40m motor yachts whci do tend to run their gennies all night, not little ones like yours.
Presumably you pay for an annual berth in a marina, pay huge amounts to run your 2 x 370 HP engines although you don`t count as a "stinkboat" ( that`s if you actually go anywhere of course) and then moan about paying tax in one of the lowest cost boating areas around. It`s your choice , move somewhere else if you don`t like it.

you may well have been thinking aboout 20 to 40metre powerboats so why make sweeping generalisations about all stinkboats and their generators. Similar I suppose to your sweeping assumption that i have 2 x 370hp engines (which I don't) and that I spend huge amounts on fuel (which at my cruising speed of 6- 7 knots I don't) and that I don't go anywhere.(which I do - 2,000 nM last year and a short hop from Poole to Gouvia before that.)
Yes of course I am complaining about the tax - I don't think many of us relish having our boat budget doubled overnight. Presumably, as you welcome the tax so much, your pockets are deep enough to take that kind of hit, but mine are not, so yes, I will indeed have to go somewhere else.

 

[1bobt]

you may well have been thinking aboout 20 to 40metre powerboats so why make sweeping generalisations about all stinkboats and their generators. Similar I suppose to your sweeping assumption that i have 2 x 370hp engines (which I don't) and that I spend huge amounts on fuel (which at my cruising speed of 6- 7 knots I don't) and that I don't go anywhere.(which I do - 2,000 nM last year and a short hop from Poole to Gouvia before that.)
Yes of course I am complaining about the tax - I don't think many of us relish having our boat budget doubled overnight. Presumably, as you welcome the tax so much, your pockets are deep enough to take that kind of hit, but mine are not, so yes, I will indeed have to go somewhere else.

Hi I have spoken to a Greek man today who ownes a couple of charter yachts
From what I can find out,it more than likely, that the Tax is only going to be on the length of boat above the 10 and 15 meter size

cheers bobt

 

[Chris_Robb]

Bluegrass - so why make sweeping generalisations about all stinkboats and their generators.

I made an un sweeping statement about our experiance with motor boats - Italian - who all don't seem to give a monkey's ******** about the boat along side!

I rather approve of the displacement stink boats!

 

[blueglass]

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"What is it with you people with power boats" should be a reasonable reply if it wasn't so petty. So you have a MoBo and it's over 10m plus 2 damn great engines, your boat, your choice.
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So at what point did the size of a boat's engine become a factor in all this? My point I was trying to make, whilst possibly slightly off- subject is that I seem to glean a certain attitude in this thread that anybody with a mobo deserves all we get and we musn't complain about a massive tax which I for one did not see coming (if indeed it does). Nobody has levelled the same up yours attitude to 15metre + yachts.

 

[blueglass]

Hi I have spoken to a Greek man today who ownes a couple of charter yachts
From what I can find out,it more than likely, that the Tax is only going to be on the length of boat above the 10 and 15 meter size

cheers bobt

Now that I could live with bobt- lets hope that's the way it pans out

 

[blueglass]

Bluegrass - so why make sweeping generalisations about all stinkboats and their generators.

I made an un sweeping statement about our experiance with motor boats - Italian - who all don't seem to give a monkey's ******** about the boat along side!

I rather approve of the displacement stink boats!

Actually it was Chrisgee's sweeping statements that rattled my perch, rather than yours - . I also have suffered large mobos alongside with all night gennies.

 

[ccscott49]

Now that I could live with bobt- lets hope that's the way it pans out

That would be fine for me also.
I didnt want to say, because it is hearsay, I was also talking to a greek friend of my brothers, who basically runs Benitses harbour in Corfu, he said the same thing.
I just hope its panned out by May.

 

[grumpygit]

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"What is it with you people with power boats" should be a reasonable reply if it wasn't so petty. So you have a MoBo and it's over 10m plus 2 damn great engines, your boat, your choice.

So at what point did the size of a boat's engine become a factor in all this? My point I was trying to make, whilst possibly slightly off- subject is that I seem to glean a certain attitude in this thread that anybody with a mobo deserves all we get and we musn't complain about a massive tax which I for one did not see coming (if indeed it does). Nobody has levelled the same up yours attitude to 15metre + yachts.[/QUOTE]

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"Nobody has levelled the same up yours attitude to 15metre + yachts."[/QUOTE]

I'm not quite sure where you are coming from, or am I...I'm not taking a pop at you because you have a MoBo, as I said it's your choice. You annoy me in an anchourage I will tell you in no uncertain terms as where to stick your genset, same as I would for a large SY...!


Sorry to burst your bubble and spoil your night. Please don't slag me off, I am on your side, really, but I don't have the ear of George Papandreou, Please don't shoot the messenger. Please read below. At the moment this is attached to road vehicles but it might well not happen, but in these time just as well could from my information......
Nothing is above this desperate goverment with the EU breathing down their necks. Especially when they don't have the balls to draw revenue from the real power and money... The shipping company's and their associates...... POWER CORRUPTS......!

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1. Annual excise duties are imposed on yachts over 10m and on sailing boats over 15m docking in the Greek harbours. The duties will scale according to the length of the yacht and depending on whether it is powered by a motor or sails. The excise duties will be payable by all yachts, of private or professional use, irrespective of whether these belong to natural persons or Greek or foreign enterprises, provided they are registered or docked in Greece from 1/1/2009. The applicable details will be published as soon as the relevant bill is brought for discussion in Parliament.



2. An extraordinary one-off levy is imposed on the owners of yachts, on the same terms and conditions governing the imposition of the yacht excise duties. The extraordinary levy will be calculated based on the length of the yacht and will scale accordingly, so as to correspond to its owner's tax-paying ability.



The applicable details will be published when the relevant bill is brought for discussion in Parliament.



The estimated revenue from the imposition of an extraordinary levy on yachts is expected to amount to €60-70 million.







ENGINE CAPACITY AMOUNTS IN EUROS



1929 – 2500 150

2501 – 3000 250

3001 – 3500 350

3501 – 4000 450

4001 – 5000 550

Over 5001cm3 650



This measure is expected to generate revenue amounting to €80 million.


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[philip17]

Below is a copy of an email just received from Med Marinas; as an owner of a 15.3m Sailboat I hope that the law remains "not valid"

Dear Sir,

In regards to the new tax for cruising boats in Greece, it was brought by the previous Government some days before its departure.

There is currently an ongoing procedure by the new Government to withdraw or modify this law so foreigners will not pay any tax.

That is what all Governmental officials have assured us.

For the time being the Law is unofficially considered by the Authorities as not valid.

I remain at your disposal for any further information.

Kind Regards,


Vasia Karavasili
Reservation Department
K&G Med. Marinas Management
Tel: +30 210 9855327-8
Fax: +30 210 9855329
email: k.g@medmarinas.com

 

[danfoley]

I would like to remind everyone of the rules on personal abuse - it is not tolerated on these forums and ccscott49 and 1bobt now have a two-day ban for the comments above.

No matter what type of boat you have please respect each other on this forum or hold your comment.

 

[blueglass]

Below is a copy of an email just received from Med Marinas; as an owner of a 15.3m Sailboat I hope that the law remains "not valid"

Dear Sir,

In regards to the new tax for cruising boats in Greece, it was brought by the previous Government some days before its departure.

There is currently an ongoing procedure by the new Government to withdraw or modify this law so foreigners will not pay any tax.

That is what all Governmental officials have assured us.

For the time being the Law is unofficially considered by the Authorities as not valid.

I remain at your disposal for any further information.

Kind Regards,


Vasia Karavasili
Reservation Department
K&G Med. Marinas Management
Tel: +30 210 9855327-8
Fax: +30 210 9855329
email: k.g@medmarinas.com

As owner of an 11 metre powerboat, so do I philip17. Thanks for that whisper of comfort. Am watching developments with very keen self interest as I'm sure you are!