Greek cruising tax update.

[PLEIAS]

Especially the part about having to get a Greek Tax number...I wonder sometimes where they get such notions and if they ever think before they write to their customers.After all a net search would have provided them with much more info, but instead they choose to provide ''kafeneio'' infos.

 

[charles_reed]

You are painting a picture of a Greece I do not know nor have known in the 45 years I have sailed there. Hellenic Coast Guard vessels visiting every quite anchorage and checking the paperwork of every vessel there? I think not. If that is the scenario they create then they can expect nothing but a mass exodus to occur within months. They havn't got the vessels to perform ANY sort of inspection regieme for a start.

Have to agree with Steve on this.

I even know one PP post which hires an local expat Brit skipper to drive their RIB whenever they have to actually go to sea - more to do with their acceptance of limited competence than lack of vessels.

 

[Tony Cross]

Have to agree with Steve on this.

I even know one PP post which hires an local expat Brit skipper to drive their RIB whenever they have to actually go to sea - more to do with their acceptance of limited competence than lack of vessels.

What you and Steve say is perfectly true at the moment of course, and in my post that Steve replied to I wasn't remotely suggesting that they would be going out to check every boat in every anchorage. But the coastguard boat here goes out for a regular run around once a month or so and if there was the slightest chance for them to recoup some of the money they spend on diesel by stopping off at the odd anchorage to check the tax status of boats there don't you think they would? Especially if the government gave them an incentive to collect due taxes?

 

[jimbaerselman]

CA site updated to reflect answers received from the Greek Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Aegean.

http://www.cruising.org.uk/news/greektax

 

[NornaBiron]

CA site updated to reflect answers received from the Greek Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Aegean.

http://www.cruising.org.uk/news/greektax

Thanks Jim

 

[Tony Cross]

CA site updated to reflect answers received from the Greek Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Aegean.

http://www.cruising.org.uk/news/greektax

If the boat spends more than 11 months a year in Greek territory, (afloat or ashore) it pays 30% less than the full rate. That is the same as paying for 7 separate months (€868 for 12.4m) but more convenient and flexible. This may be a suitable option for full time live-aboards.

We still need to establish how one "proves" that the boat will spend more than 11 months in Greek waters. If they require a marina contract that won't help many live-aboards.

 

[sailaboutvic]

We still need to establish how one "proves" that the boat will spend more than 11 months in Greek waters. If they require a marina contract that won't help many live-aboards.

I suppose one way is if you get your D stamp once a month . But then could cause you another problem , the 183 rule .

 

[skipklaus]

CA site updated to reflect answers received from the Greek Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Aegean.

http://www.cruising.org.uk/news/greektax

Greek Tax, Situation as known at 21 Feb 2014

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This tax applies to non-EU boats, and the intention is to abolish the tax presently paid after 3 months...

Applies to non-EU boats ????

 

[charles_reed]

What you and Steve say is perfectly true at the moment of course, and in my post that Steve replied to I wasn't remotely suggesting that they would be going out to check every boat in every anchorage. But the coastguard boat here goes out for a regular run around once a month or so and if there was the slightest chance for them to recoup some of the money they spend on diesel by stopping off at the odd anchorage to check the tax status of boats there don't you think they would? Especially if the government gave them an incentive to collect due taxes?

I've always found the Cretan PP far more proactive than the rest of Greece - also a useful source of local info.

 

[jimbaerselman]

Applies to non-EU boats ????

Ambiguous writing on my part. Apologies - the text is now corrected:

(change 22 Jan) -This tax applies to all boats including non-EU boats. The intention is that non-EU boats will no longer pay for the 3 month transit log fee.

JimB

 

[nimbusgb]

Concession 2 & 3 are good news.

Definitely now time to add .6m to my reg document for the purpose of paying my tax on a monthly basis.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Concession 2 & 3 are good news.

Definitely now time to add .6m to my reg document for the purpose of paying my tax on a monthly basis.

That will be interesting , next time you go into an marina , which you will one day .

 

[jimbaerselman]

Concession 2 & 3 are good news.

As Tony has nicely put it on the Cruising Association Mednet forum, about concession 3: "wait until the fat lady sings".

And for the very astute lady who has been our communications channel - we're not referring to you!

the Port Police matters are under discussion; not a done deal.

JimB

 

[nimbusgb]

That will be interesting , next time you go into an marina , which you will one day .

I don't do them, there's plenty of anchorages in Greece. Besides I have about 3 SSR's on board so I might just pick one up when going to the tax office and another when going to the very infrequent ( 4 times in the past 5 years ) marina office.

I'm not paying €400 tax for a couple of weeks sailing, I'd rather go to Botswana on safari and fly an overseas nationals and leave the boat on the hard.