Greece - Harbours and Marinas.

I know i'll probably regret this as it will be followed by many questions but and accusations, BUT: According to the modification 8112.1/14/06/06 (and i'm quoting that because surely some will look it up) joint decision of the ministries involved all crafts should pay harbour fees for anchoring berthing or long term stays.Now according to the above mentioned decision this should be applied in organised ports which provide water and power as well.
As a general rule all Private pleasure crafts are to be charged 0.30 euro per meter of length daily for anchoring and 0.45 euros per meterlength daily for berthing.Owners who pay that in advance by Martch 1st are entitled to a discount -20% for a month ,30% for 6 months and 40% for 1 year.All this are in the jutisdiction of the local port municipality fund BUT it's payed to the Port Police.So don't blame the police man if you think it's too much for he is just the teller for the Fund and believe me they hate doing this job.
 
PLEIAS said:
I know i'll probably regret this as it will be followed by many questions but and accusations, BUT: According to the modification 8112.1/14/06/06 (and i'm quoting that because surely some will look it up) joint decision of the ministries involved all crafts should pay harbour fees for anchoring berthing or long term stays.Now according to the above mentioned decision this should be applied in organised ports which provide water and power as well.
As a general rule all Private pleasure crafts are to be charged 0.30 euro per meter of length daily for anchoring and 0.45 euros per meterlength daily for berthing.Owners who pay that in advance by Martch 1st are entitled to a discount -20% for a month ,30% for 6 months and 40% for 1 year.All this are in the jutisdiction of the local port municipality fund BUT it's payed to the Port Police.So don't blame the police man if you think it's too much for he is just the teller for the Fund and believe me they hate doing this job.
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Thanks for the info. I think the important wording here is " which provide water and power as well...." . Very few of the ones I listed do this so maybe that is why I have never been charged , I was also told once by a Port Policeman that as all the money went to Athens ( and was not seen again!) that could be another reason why collection is to say the least, sporadic.
 
chrisgee said:
Thanks for the info. I think the important wording here is " which provide water and power as well...." . Very few of the ones I listed do this so maybe that is why I have never been charged , I was also told once by a Port Policeman that as all the money went to Athens ( and was not seen again!) that could be another reason why collection is to say the least, sporadic.
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Allthough i hate quoting -On top of that it states that when you pay them in advance they should make the nessesary arrangements to issue a berth spot which is practiclly impossible as the vast majority of ports in Greece are refuge ports and as such nobody has the authority to deny you a berth regardless of whether you paid for it or not.Also i would just love to see it applied in some tyccon's private dock but i somehow don't think i will live to see the day.Also lots of port funds without the above provisions (as is PortoHeli) are applying the law regardles.
 
Our experience this year is that we registered with the Port Police on 3 occasions.

First in Corfu Town, where we wasted the whole Friday and Monday on fruitless journeys round the town between the Port and the Tax office for an illusive DEKPA which never materialised

Second in Mortos Sivota, where we had stopped to get our DEKPA. However, even though we were anchoring out, we were charged €19 on 12 meters.

Third in Vathi (Ithaca). There were about 15 boats in in late september when the port police requested we all attend their office. I waited and went in next day, most of the others having been in already. They paid variously - nothing , €2, and some €6. So not wanting to be mean - we went in, following another British yacht - €19.00 and 1 hour wait, so we turned round and walked out.

At several other places we paid a reasonable €3 to 5 Euros, and would be quite happy to pay if a) we knew what we were in for, and b) that it was not going to be a time consuming process.

Why doesn't each port police post notices on the lamp post - there should always be enough left standing - stating what their policy is in respect of charges. If I don't like it I can choose to go, the likelyhood is that if they are reasonable - say up to €10 I would pay quite happily. My fear is the inconsistency and the unknown.

So saying, I love Greece, its a great place - just be more transparent....
 
Chris_Robb said:
Why doesn't each port police post notices on the lamp post - there should always be enough left standing - stating what their policy is in respect of charges.
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A notice telling you where the office lies would be something! It took us at least an hour to find the one in Preveza. At Kalkhis there was a notice but the office had been moved to the other side of the bridge, where it was hidden down an alley. No notice on the entrance and no notice inside, just try every door!
 
vyv_cox said:
A notice telling you where the office lies would be something! It took us at least an hour to find the one in Preveza. At Kalkhis there was a notice but the office had been moved to the other side of the bridge, where it was hidden down an alley. No notice on the entrance and no notice inside, just try every door!
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And that as well! In the end we just ignored them, and never had any come back.... that is unless they have a system recording how many times I have ignored them!!!! As I said though, I would like to see a charge made which goes into the port maintenance, that is only fair.
 
vyv_cox said:
A notice telling you where the office lies would be something! It took us at least an hour to find the one in Preveza. At Kalkhis there was a notice but the office had been moved to the other side of the bridge, where it was hidden down an alley. No notice on the entrance and no notice inside, just try every door!
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Have to say that the only time the port authority office was made obvious in my memory was at Sami on Cephalonia.
That's why I thought mooring may have been free.

Interesting posts chaps. Thanks.
 
Sami on Kefalonia is not consistent regarding mooring fees, they should charge, but often dont!
Prices below for Agia Efimia It should work out at a Euro a metre (it too can vary)




THIS ACTION IS FINANCED BY THE OPERATIONAL PROGRAM "AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT - REFORM OF THE COUNTRYSIDE 2000 - 2006" AXIS 7 AND CO-FINANCED BY EAGGF.

PRICE LIST



MOORING FEES

I. COMMERCIAL FISHING BOATS-LOCAL FISHING BOATS:
€ 0,10 € per meter per day

II. HOLIDAY CRUISE BOATS:

MOORING FEES PORT ENTRANCE FEES
€/ meters per day €/ meters per day
1,00 0,50


III. YACHTS WITH CABINS:

MOORING FEES PORT ENTRANCE FEES
€/ meters per day €/ meters per day
3,00 1,50


IV. GROUP:

MOORING FEES PORT ENTRANCE FEES
DAY (€/ meters) DAY (€/ meters)
0,80 0,40




V. HOLIDAY CRUISE BOATS WITHOUT CABINS:
0,40 € per meter per day

VI. COMMERCIAL HOLIDAY BOATS-YAGHTS WITHOUT CABINS:
0,30 € per meter per day

VII. BOATS THAT DON’T INCLUDE THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:
2,00 € per meter per day

• The above prices which must be met by the vessel do not include VAT.
• In the event of the skipper expressly requesting that the vessel be tied alongside the pier in accordance with the agreement of the Tourist Authority, the fee for anchorage is increased by 80%.
• For catamarans a further 30% is charged
• Reductions: Monthly 10%
6Monthly 30%
Yearly 40%

PRICES FOR OTHER SERVICES

WATER SUPPLY:
5 € minimum quantity per day
8 € per 1m3 for consumption over 1m3 per day

ELECTRICITY:
4 € minimum quantity per day

VAT INCLUDED

• In the event of delay in payment of 15 days or more, the Tourist Authority has the right to cut off electricity and water supply without further notice. However water &electricity supply will be resumed if required, upon payment of both accounts.
• Mooring fees for duration of up to one month must be paid in advance.
• Payment of mooring fees and other services to be effected the same day in Euro by cash, bank cheque or other recognized Greek credit company
• Mooring fees must be paid at the tourist kiosk.
• Mooring fees cannot be refunded in the event of vessels departing earlier than the initially requested period of stay.







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Have a look at our site. We describe many marinas and ports in the Ionian and Aegean seas.
Note that for long duration there are few public marinas ( free of charge or little charge) equipped with mooring lines (such as Mikonos Marina).
If you stay with your anchor, there are great chances that somebody will pick up your chain!
http://www.ovnijad.com
 
chrisgee said:
Thanks for the info. I think the important wording here is " which provide water and power as well...." . Very few of the ones I listed do this so maybe that is why I have never been charged , I was also told once by a Port Policeman that as all the money went to Athens ( and was not seen again!) that could be another reason why collection is to say the least, sporadic.
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Don't mislead yourself - it applies to EVERY port, whether they provide electricity or water (which is usually an extra cost)
 
Hmmm. Charles, I think not quite right. Pleias, please correct me if I am wrong, but:

1. There is provision in law for a port entry charge for every visit, to any place, all boats.
2. There is provision in law for a daily "mooring charge" to be levied on boats.
3. Any boats which have current marina contracts, or which otherwise pay annual/monthly charges, are exempt from the daily mooring charge (its already paid)
4. Quays licenced to do so (and this includes places in addition to marinas) may make additional charges to cover facilities they provide.

Since the first two are usually remitted to central funds, there is little incentive for the port police to gather them.

A law passed in 2006 (among other things) allowed EU leisure boats to travel for up to 30 days without reporting their where-abouts to the port police. This law conflicts with 1. above.

The port police are entitled insist that you report to them for inspection of your papers at any time. When you do so, they will often make the charges at 1 & 2 above. The second charge is often levied on EU non-Greek vessels, on the assumption they have not pre-paid mooring charges. The majority haven't, but if you have, carry your marina contracts with you! And that's why Greek registered boats pay less; they've paid already.

Non-EU boats pay an additional tax after every 3 months in Greek waters; it's not too onerous.

We are still waiting to hear when the universal "larger boat" tax is going to be levied

None of the above is well explained to visiting boats. Member pages of The Cruising Association web site have the most comprehensive description (better than my site, which is a bit out of date now on this matter)
 
Jim - just to make sure I understand: I have a current mooring contract with a marina. I go into Vathi Ithaca - where they want to charge €19 for the night - 2 x daily charges. So this is not due because I have a contract.

However, If I go into Ey Euffimia say on Kephalonia, they want €1 per meter plus VAT for the night, plus water and electric. This is not being collected by the port police, but by a girl on the quayside, who I assume is legit. So are you saying, I should not be paying that as well?
 
jimbaerselman said:
Hmmm. Charles, I think not quite right. Pleias, please correct me if I am wrong, but:

1. There is provision in law for a port entry charge for every visit, to any place, all boats.
2. There is provision in law for a daily "mooring charge" to be levied on boats.
3. Any boats which have current marina contracts, or which otherwise pay annual/monthly charges, are exempt from the daily mooring charge (its already paid)
4. Quays licenced to do so (and this includes places in addition to marinas) may make additional charges to cover facilities they provide.

Since the first two are usually remitted to central funds, there is little incentive for the port police to gather them.

A law passed in 2006 (among other things) allowed EU leisure boats to travel for up to 30 days without reporting their where-abouts to the port police. This law conflicts with 1. above.

The port police are entitled insist that you report to them for inspection of your papers at any time. When you do so, they will often make the charges at 1 & 2 above. The second charge is often levied on EU non-Greek vessels, on the assumption they have not pre-paid mooring charges. The majority haven't, but if you have, carry your marina contracts with you! And that's why Greek registered boats pay less; they've paid already.

Non-EU boats pay an additional tax after every 3 months in Greek waters; it's not too onerous.

We are still waiting to hear when the universal "larger boat" tax is going to be levied

None of the above is well explained to visiting boats. Member pages of The Cruising Association web site have the most comprehensive description (better than my site, which is a bit out of date now on this matter)
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Jim, my experience has been that if you wave your mooring contract in front of the Port Police they totally ignore it.

This has happened to me in Argostoli, Kissamos, Xania and Rethymion and the mooring charge has been levied.
I would therefore suggest that your #3 is honoured more in its breach than its observance.
 
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charles_reed said:
Jim, my experience has been that if you wave your mooring contract in front of the Port Police they totally ignore it.

This has happened to me in Argostoli, Kissamos, Xania and Rethymion and the mooring charge has been levied.
I would therefore suggest that your #4 is honoured more in its breach than its observance.
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do you mean#3?
 
1. There is provision in law for a port entry charge for every visit, to any place, all boats.
2. There is provision in law for a daily "mooring charge" to be levied on boats.
3. Any boats which have current marina contracts, or which otherwise pay annual/monthly charges, are exempt from the daily mooring charge (its already paid)
4. Quays licenced to do so (and this includes places in addition to marinas) may make additional charges to cover facilities they provide.

I was sure that Jim would come along to set things straight but No 3 is wrong.You see regardless of who's collecting, all charges are for the local port municipality fund so it is to be payed on the spot.There is no state wide fund to distribute such collections since, i believe, 1998 when the responcibility for maintenance and improvements was passed on to municipal level.So when you pay, even in advance, your berthing or mooring fees is only for that port alone.
 
Chris_Robb said:
Jim - just to make sure I understand: I have a current mooring contract with a marina. I go into Vathi Ithaca - where they want to charge €19 for the night - 2 x daily charges. So this is not due because I have a contract.

However, If I go into Ey Euffimia say on Kephalonia, they want €1 per meter plus VAT for the night, plus water and electric. This is not being collected by the port police, but by a girl on the quayside, who I assume is legit. So are you saying, I should not be paying that as well?
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Chris,

Only the daily mooring charge payable to the port police is covered by pre-payment. And marina contracts are not always accepted as proof of pre-payment.

If the port is licensed to make its own charges (as Ag Euph), these are collected by a local official for local funds, not by port police. Just like going to a UK marina . . . you pay their rate.
 
PLEIAS said:
3. Any boats which have current marina contracts, or which otherwise pay annual/monthly charges, are exempt from the daily mooring charge (its already paid)
4. Quays licenced to do so (and this includes places in addition to marinas) may make additional charges to cover facilities they provide.
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I was sure that Jim would come along to set things straight but No 3 is wrong.You see regardless of who's collecting, all charges are for the local port municipality fund so it is to be payed on the spot.There is no state wide fund to distribute such collections since, i believe, 1998 when the responcibility for maintenance and improvements was passed on to municipal level.So when you pay, even in advance, your berthing or mooring fees is only for that port alone.
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I was sure that you'd come along to set things straight! Many thanks for the correction.
 
jimbaerselman said:
Chris,

Only the daily mooring charge payable to the port police is covered by pre-payment. And marina contracts are not always accepted as proof of pre-payment.

If the port is licensed to make its own charges (as Ag Euph), these are collected by a local official for local funds, not by port police. Just like going to a UK marina . . . you pay their rate.
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Thanks Jim - having just joined the CA last Friday, I will now have access to a wealth of information for next year!
 
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