Great Debate - Should the fate of red diesel be decided in Europe?

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Red diesel is now a European issue. Whether we like it or not, it's up to European Commissioners from all over the continent to decide whether we will still be able to fill up with our low-duty fuel in 2007.

So this month we're asking: 'Should the fate of red diesel be decided in Europe?'

Cast your vote here and let's hear your comments.

The results will be printed in August's issue of MBM.
 
No, because 'One size fits all' politics does not work and because we have no 'real' democratic voice as most decisions are taken by the departments of the commissioners, unless you really believe that the European Parliament is a democratic establishment or, very like the Eurovision Song Contest, a voting cartel, but still with no substance or power.
 
Voted No.

Too many decision makers who would be unaffected by the decision and therefore don't give a whatsit, thus getting involved in the horse trading. Bliar or whoever is not, on past record, likely to fight tooth and nail for the interests of the UK, if it makes him appear to be a bad European.

Frankly the decision would be better left to me, my view is every bit as valid as that of the Austrian commissioner, who may not even have a boat but probably a bigger carbon footprint with all the flying.

A classic case of where the EU should be told to take a running poke at a rolling doughut.
 
I voted NO , but as my boat is petrol , and not used on a road , I don't see why I have to pay tax at this level , when Diseasel users get it cheaper
 
Have to say no too as in my view, a lot is said by politicians about Britain not giving up its right to set its own taxes and other things such as border controls etc, and here we are with a prime item that they could roll over about, and when its gone, bleat that it wasn't their fault and its all down to big bad Europe!!

About time our illustrious leaders had the courage of their convictions and remembered that they are there to represent the UK and its people and do our bidding, not kow tow to a load unelected bureacrats and officials that we as a country can't kick out if we don't like what they do.

The MEP's and Central Government should be saying "we will decide here in the UK if red stays or if it goes - no one else"

Back off soapbox now!

JH /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
No
I never liked the idea of a superstate in any case. Free trade is good and a few other things shared is good. Not this nonsense of a nother government with different ideals over the top of our own. Bad move. If one lot of politicians can cock things up enough on their own, what will several further layers of them do.

As far as I'm concerned I feel like I just want them to get knotted in my carefully considered thoroughly balanced and politically correct view.
 
simpe answer is no because they will not be voting on 'the red diesel issue' they will be voting on a much wider European issue which is harmonization of taxes. as such their vote is predetermined as will be the member states responses to most of the implications ie a cap on petrol duty at the pumps to the levels in place generally in Europe is inconsistent with British Tax system so it just wont happen. minor sops will be played politically and as Brown is on record as having absolutley no interest in the interests of anyone earning over 30k red is a no brainer for him too.
 
It's a bloody disgrace. Along with the myriad of other things the EU decide for us. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Almost every regulation introduced by the EU is to our detriment. Often not by accident but with malice.

They want and need to neuter us. They can't deal with a free, unregulated competitor on their doorstep so everything they do is aimed at 'leveling the playing field'.

I am already taking steps to free myself from the EU tyranny. A large lump of my assets have left the EU and I won't be far behind.

If I say any more on this matter I will go on for about another 6,056,038,000 pages.

So you better put me down as a NO !
I feel just a little bit better now. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Petrolia
 
No, 'cos red diesel will end up being used as a bargaining chip in horse trading on a range of other unrelated issues, and will be conceded by either side if they get their way on other things that actually bother them. In my view this is how the EU works (how else could a union of opposing ideals function?). The actual merits of the case for red diesel will be incidental in the final decision.
 
Yes. Like it or not, we are a part of a wider economic grouping and we should abide by the rules that it sets, to provide a level playing field. As it's not an option to be isolationist - because our economic prosperity would vanish overnight - and because we can't go back to relying on the Commonwealth nations, we must remain in the EU, in my opinion. So, we should obey the rules. In theory, of course, this means that the tax on diesel should produce a price of 70p per litre or so in the UK. Yeah, right.

The only alternative is to adopt the French model and ignore EU rulings, whilst vociferously demanding that others comply with them. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Incidentally, I may have been imagining it but I think I heard it said, by the Government, that this is the last time they would consider applying for an extension of the derogation and that everyone should start getting used to the idea. Or was I hallucinating?
 
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and because we can't go back to relying on the Commonwealth nations, we must remain in the EU, in my opinion.

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Strange that the booming economy of Australia and the rest of the Pacific rim continues unabated with no EU style grouping or legislature.

Of course, I forgot, they are unconstrained by the protectionist and over legislated EU countires who will one day wake up to find that the rest of the world has moved on to a higher level of prosperity.
 
Hi, Major; I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think we've burned our bridges so far as the Commonwealth is concerned. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I suspect I will be (just a bit) in the minority on this one, but like it or not, we are all Europeans now...........
 
You misunderstand me. I am already on record on these fora saying that the best thing that ever happend to Australia was that we did the dirty and ditched them. They woke up and looked in their own back yard for new markets and it has been their great saving.

I was making the point that they have done it without the need for all the crap that is the EU. And one day, we will pay dearly for allowing ourselves to get into bondage with the biggest bureaucratic nightmare this world has ever seen, outside a comminist state.

Mark my words, in the next twenty five years, the EU will slip into the deepest depression* we have ever seen.

* I can't remember who said it, but the defination of a recession is when your neighbour is out of work. The defination of a depression is when you are out of work.

Stewart, I am sorry to have highjacked this thread.
 
I think this says it all...

In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I did not speak up, because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up, because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak up, because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics, and I did not speak up, because I was not a Catholic.

Then they came for me... and by that time, there was no one to speak up for anyone."
 
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