jellylegs
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Does anybody know if it is still possible to buy a bare hull for a Golden Hind 31?
If not, can the plans be attained for home build?
If not, can the plans be attained for home build?
Golden Hind 31
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lukedh
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Best ask on the Eventide Owners Group web-site or better e-mail John Williams on that site enquiries@eventides.org.uk.
The moulds were with Newsons Boatbuilders, the last report on the EOG website was "Newson Boatbuilders sadly are no more, we are trying to find out what happened to the moulds.... Jan 2012"
Plans were never made available but if anyone knows of any then John would very much like to hear, they were probably never copyrighted. If you read about them on the EOG website you will find that the Golden Hind was developed from the Eventide. Many of the changes can be followed if you look.
The Ripride for which plans are available is a very similar boat but not many have been built. Described by the designer as 'Dammed by the Eventide, sired by the Waterwitch, out of the Golden Hind.' Details also on the EOG website.
Building a boat like this is a labour of love and will cost far more than buying a second hand one and and doing it up, not to mention the time involved. Golden Hinds are relatively cheep now.
Tranora will be along soon to correct anything I have said.
The moulds were with Newsons Boatbuilders, the last report on the EOG website was "Newson Boatbuilders sadly are no more, we are trying to find out what happened to the moulds.... Jan 2012"
Plans were never made available but if anyone knows of any then John would very much like to hear, they were probably never copyrighted. If you read about them on the EOG website you will find that the Golden Hind was developed from the Eventide. Many of the changes can be followed if you look.
The Ripride for which plans are available is a very similar boat but not many have been built. Described by the designer as 'Dammed by the Eventide, sired by the Waterwitch, out of the Golden Hind.' Details also on the EOG website.
Building a boat like this is a labour of love and will cost far more than buying a second hand one and and doing it up, not to mention the time involved. Golden Hinds are relatively cheep now.
Tranora will be along soon to correct anything I have said.
billcowan
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+1 for refurbing an old one, much cheaper than trying to build a new one.
Probably more cheap Barbicans around, they have the advantage of a grp deck, bigger boat too with full headroom. there was a 31 as well as the more common 33
Probably more cheap Barbicans around, they have the advantage of a grp deck, bigger boat too with full headroom. there was a 31 as well as the more common 33
Tranona
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Yes, the moulds still exist, having been refurbished and modified by Mark Urry when he owned the rights. Newsons bought them (31 and 26) from him, but not sure they moulded any hulls. There are also moulds for the cockpit and jigs to laminate the coachroof beams, plus Mark had the paperwork done to meet the RCD (hence mods to the mould to meet stability requirements for Category A).
Not sure it would make sense to build one now - they are very labour intensive and time consuming to complete to a good standard but have a low market value. You can get a top notch Erskine boat for £30k, when the last 31 Mark built in around 2003 was over £100k!
Two years ago I got tempted with a part complete hull and deck with a lot of gear to complete at little more than the price of a pint (figuratively speaking), but a daunting and expensive project to complete to a standard comparable to the later Erskine boats, and particularly Mark's last two or three.
As already suggested the plans were never made available. Mark owned the building rights and his mods were approved by MG before he died. I have a set of Riptide plans and a licence to build one boat and at one time discussed with Mark redrawing them to give double rather than single chine, which would have made it very close to the original double chine plywood GH. Never built it as got seduced by sailing in the Med and blew the dosh on a Bavaria! The first GH was single chine, 28'6" and was a development of my Eventide 26 which was built by Hartwells in Plymouth. After a handful were built of that size, a few single chine 31s were built with a wider beam and then MG redrew it as double chine, which became the definitive GH31.
If you do like this style of boat then look for an Erskine built, GRP hulled example,preferably with a GRP cockpit (rare). They are very well built and respond well to upgrading equipment to modern standards. An alternative is a Rossiter Curlew - bit more expensive, and actually rather old fashioned compared with a similar age GH, but there are usually one or two for sale, and they do have a certain something about them - saw hull no 6 in the Solent last week, really looking the biz - even if my plastic Bavaria can sail rings round it!
Not sure it would make sense to build one now - they are very labour intensive and time consuming to complete to a good standard but have a low market value. You can get a top notch Erskine boat for £30k, when the last 31 Mark built in around 2003 was over £100k!
Two years ago I got tempted with a part complete hull and deck with a lot of gear to complete at little more than the price of a pint (figuratively speaking), but a daunting and expensive project to complete to a standard comparable to the later Erskine boats, and particularly Mark's last two or three.
As already suggested the plans were never made available. Mark owned the building rights and his mods were approved by MG before he died. I have a set of Riptide plans and a licence to build one boat and at one time discussed with Mark redrawing them to give double rather than single chine, which would have made it very close to the original double chine plywood GH. Never built it as got seduced by sailing in the Med and blew the dosh on a Bavaria! The first GH was single chine, 28'6" and was a development of my Eventide 26 which was built by Hartwells in Plymouth. After a handful were built of that size, a few single chine 31s were built with a wider beam and then MG redrew it as double chine, which became the definitive GH31.
If you do like this style of boat then look for an Erskine built, GRP hulled example,preferably with a GRP cockpit (rare). They are very well built and respond well to upgrading equipment to modern standards. An alternative is a Rossiter Curlew - bit more expensive, and actually rather old fashioned compared with a similar age GH, but there are usually one or two for sale, and they do have a certain something about them - saw hull no 6 in the Solent last week, really looking the biz - even if my plastic Bavaria can sail rings round it!
Tranona
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The Barbican 33 is a very different boat. Originally the hull was designed for Phillips in Dartmouth who topped the fine hull with an awkward looking poop deck superstructure. MG rather wished in retrospect he had not got involved! Fortunately not many were built and the new deck was designed with a more conventional aft cockpit. The hull can have either a centreboard or deeper keel and bilge plates. Many were home completed and not necessarily to the same standard as a GH, but some are superb. There are usually about half a dozen for sale - there is a well travelled centreboard version for sale in Poole that would benefit from a refit, but is attractively priced.
The Barbican 31 (or actually 30) is a very different boat again, not an MG design.
alant
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Wandering Star
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I don't suppose this of any interest to the OP whatsoever but the yard in Florida where I had my previous boat were storing a pro built GRP Golden Hind 31. I made enquiries and discovered the boat had been shipped out brand new about 15 years ago and no one had bothered to come out thereafter! I asked if she was for sale as I like these boats (my boat is a Vancouver 27) and thought I might get her for little more than a song but the manager told me the storage account was settled each year so it's not a problem for the yard to store her. I wasn't able to obtain the owners details.
Essentially the boat is brand new but in shocking cosmetic condition. It had little wild trees and plants growing in the cockpit, moss all over the decks and the sails (still bent on) were no better than rags as was the running rigging. I haven't a clue what condition the interior or engine was in. Under the filth I would guess the GRP mouldings will be absolutely as new.
I didn't push the yard hard for contact info as I'd just purchased a boat which was also a "project" and I was tied up with getting her ready for the passage back to UK (which I've done) but I just wonder if a fresh approach from someone different might turn up the owners details? Bringing her back to the UK in a container should be quite doable or with an immediate budget for eseentials such as sails/rig/engine plus a lot of elbow grease, she could almost certainly be made seaworthy within (say) 6 weeks and sailed home.
Just a thought.
Cheers, Brian.
Essentially the boat is brand new but in shocking cosmetic condition. It had little wild trees and plants growing in the cockpit, moss all over the decks and the sails (still bent on) were no better than rags as was the running rigging. I haven't a clue what condition the interior or engine was in. Under the filth I would guess the GRP mouldings will be absolutely as new.
I didn't push the yard hard for contact info as I'd just purchased a boat which was also a "project" and I was tied up with getting her ready for the passage back to UK (which I've done) but I just wonder if a fresh approach from someone different might turn up the owners details? Bringing her back to the UK in a container should be quite doable or with an immediate budget for eseentials such as sails/rig/engine plus a lot of elbow grease, she could almost certainly be made seaworthy within (say) 6 weeks and sailed home.
Just a thought.
Cheers, Brian.
Tranona
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No. You are thinking of the similar looking Curlew I referred to above. GH were built primarily by Terry Erskine, who was the yard foreman at Hartwells of Plymouth, the original builders (in ply, usually cascover sheathed). Terry had the GRP moulds made, and when he went out of business they went to a yard in Sussex who moulded a few hulls. Mark Urry then bought them (both 31 and 26), modified and refurbished them. He built 5 hulls, completed 4 and sold the other to Richard Hares who finished it off - and writes regularly in both PBO and Classic Boat about building and cruising his boat Keppel.
In the early days quite a few were home finished - Mark's first one, Moondancer was bought as a Plywood hull and coachroof and Mark completed it in the mid 1970s. My introduction to cross channel sailing was in that boat around 1980, and was instrumental in me buying Tranona, which was the definitive Hartwells built Eventide 26 from 1963, and which I still own.
alant
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GHM
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GH31 Moulds/drawings
I've just stumbled on this unintentionally. I sold the moulds to Newson's Boatyard in 2005. I'm fairly sure they never built a hull. The manager was Keith Wood at the time. He told me they had a laminator not far away where they were hoping to park the moulds, so it's possible they may still be there ready to use if you felt like exploring around. He also said they were waiting to find a customer for a home build before they committed and I'm fairly sure that never happened.
Re the plans, there never really were any. What drawings I had went to Newsons but, apart from a general deck beam layout, rig plans (very old plus my redesigned ones) and such things as deck fitting positions, there wasn't much. Certainly not enough for anyone to build from. There were not even any hull offsets, they were deleted from the old Terry Erskine drawings which I inherited. The wooden hull drawings and jigs were, I believe, destroyed before I became involved.
Most of the info for building one is in a couple of scruffy exercise books and the heads of a couple of people. I know one of them well, who built many 31's at Terry Erskines and Barbican 33's self-employed. He is still (just) working and is capable of doing it all at a sensible price (or just helping), if you got a hull. A bit daunting I suspect?
Re second hand. Be very careful, especially with the all wood boats, and even "good" GRP ones. I rebuilt and ex Boat Show GRP one and we just cut the whole of the deck and interior out and started again.
I've just stumbled on this unintentionally. I sold the moulds to Newson's Boatyard in 2005. I'm fairly sure they never built a hull. The manager was Keith Wood at the time. He told me they had a laminator not far away where they were hoping to park the moulds, so it's possible they may still be there ready to use if you felt like exploring around. He also said they were waiting to find a customer for a home build before they committed and I'm fairly sure that never happened.
Re the plans, there never really were any. What drawings I had went to Newsons but, apart from a general deck beam layout, rig plans (very old plus my redesigned ones) and such things as deck fitting positions, there wasn't much. Certainly not enough for anyone to build from. There were not even any hull offsets, they were deleted from the old Terry Erskine drawings which I inherited. The wooden hull drawings and jigs were, I believe, destroyed before I became involved.
Most of the info for building one is in a couple of scruffy exercise books and the heads of a couple of people. I know one of them well, who built many 31's at Terry Erskines and Barbican 33's self-employed. He is still (just) working and is capable of doing it all at a sensible price (or just helping), if you got a hull. A bit daunting I suspect?
Re second hand. Be very careful, especially with the all wood boats, and even "good" GRP ones. I rebuilt and ex Boat Show GRP one and we just cut the whole of the deck and interior out and started again.
Doug Rowe
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I have just read through the forum posts about the Golden Hind 31. I own a GH31 No.252 (Moonlight). This was built by Mark Urry Golden Hind Marine in 1993 and was his own boat untill sold in 2001. I bought the boat in 2006. At that time the moulds were still for sale eventually being bought by Newsoms in Lowestoft. I spoke to the Newsoms yard owner at the London boat show about 2009 having read that he had bought the moulds and he said they had one hull which at that time was still in the mould. Unfortunately I think that was the last one produced and it could just be possible that it is still available.
tavita
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Hi Doug Rowe Newsons never built a hull he had my boat Snowdrift in there for major repairs, cosmetically she looked good but it was an expensive boj job the amount of rot they left in her she is unusable and now rotting away uninsurable and i am too old to deal with it,he was sued by so many he declared bancrupt, Newsons yard was taken over by MTB 102 trust who I had a mooring with, the 31 mould was given away to someone in Suffolk, I was offered the mould for the 26 but had no where to keep it and Richard the ceo of MTB 102 cut it up and sent it down the tip, I was there so sad I managed to get some drawings and patterns, the latter now gone so my sailing days cut very short,a sad reminder to invest in a survey and never invest in a ply hull left a very bitter taste
Just_sayin'
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