Global warming...

[boatmike]

Post by Branco re:storms in Croatia leads me to a question.
Terrible hurricanes in Caribbean, shitty weather in UK, plenty of other indications that weather all over the planet is changing don't you think? Or am I getting paranoid?

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[mikewilkes]

Did they not used to blame all the bad weather on Chenobal ?? The spelling is probably wrong.



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[AlexL]

I think you're probably paranoid. One bad year is not evidence of anything. You should get '50 year' storms every ooh, say 50 years or so!
The earth was in an ice age for a couple of million years ( an Ice age which we are still technically in ) and about 10 thousand years ago a warm period started. We are still in the warming up stage of this ice age exit so the general climatic long term trend should be warming. Against this backdrop of things measured in multi-millenia I constantly find it quite amazing that anyone with any scientific or mathematical education can form serious hypothesis based on about 50 years of reliable data.
This is not to say that we shouldn't use less fossil fuels - which are after all a finite resource and local air quality is far more important in health terms than any possible effect or otherwise on global warming.

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[Clive_Rigden]

There was an interesting piece in the Saturday Telegraph's weather section on the back page last week-end. It mentioned how the coldest day on record in London and many other parts of the kingdom on a 25th. September was in 188somethingorother when it snowed and settled. The warmest on the same day was in 1892 when it reached 86degrees F in London.

My father was a meteorologist and reckoned weather went in cycles averaging around 50 years or so. Yes, we have a tendency to become paranoid - the Ice Fairs on the River Thames 250 years ago were able to happen, many said, because a new ice age was coming as a result of our sinful ways. Mother Earth is a forgiving and regenerative organ, much like a scuttlebutt liver I shouldn't wonder, but we cannot become complascent. It's obvious that the more we polute our planet the worse conditions for life will become even if temporarily. Now is the time (long overdue) when we must address our manifold and consumptive ways but we'll still be surprized by the vagaries of climate and weather and no doubt blame it on something or someone .
How about Claymore for starters? . . .
Oh yes - and mobos !

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[Clive_Rigden]

Is there an echo in the forum ?

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[Metabarca]

re storms in Croatia: the bora is certainly blowing less frequently and less hard than in the past. This storm was perfectly normal, unlike summer last year, which was wet, cold and yuck

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[Talbot]

hurrah, a sensible post about "warming" of the globe.

Personally I think the government is responsible/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Evadne]

Have you ever heard of the phrase "as changeable as the weather"? I do have to smile when people talk of climate change as if it were an alteration to some steady state that has prevailed for millennia. The global climate is a chaotic and unstable system, and (nearly) always has been. The hurricanes in the caribbean may be slightly more numerous this year, but it's only if they hit the US of A mainland, or Brit holiday destinations, that they make the news. And if you think British weather is famous for being anything other than shitty....

Red sky at night ...... Barn's alight.
Drowned sheep in the morning ... Global Warming.



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[boatmike]

Does that mean we won't get another one for another 50 years then? And Granada will be OK again next year? And the Polar ice is not really melting?

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[Twister_Ken]

The case is proven

Global warming is an established fact. It is caused by hotheads driving around in McDodgy 26XXXs at unwholesome speeds.

If only we could get back to sailing Contessa 26s with 8hp Stuart Turners, sales of deodorant would plummet.

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[boatmike]

Re: The case is proven

Well there you are then. All those with huge Mobos hang your head in shame.
Glad there's one at least on my side. (I think?) Have the rest of you not seen that a chunk of glacier the size of the UK just broke off the ice cap and floated south? Do you have to wait until it floats up the Solent to Cowes? Did I not read that if this continues at the same rate the sea level will rise 2 metres in the next 100yrs and the gulf stream could stop flowing? Or am I reading Scientific American and other leading science journals all wrong? Do George Bush and the oil companies have you all brainwashed?


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[boatmike]

Just looked up the data and you appear to be absolutely on the button. Probably wrong to suggest this one storm changes anything. My book says 3 times per year between May and October on average so no argument for climate change in Northern Adriatic I guess...

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[RupertW]

Re: The case is proven

If we were talking about gullible persons' medicine (anything alternative) then I'd say that changing your behaviour because of something unprovable was always silly, and global warming will always be unprovable because we've only got one Earth to experiment with, and no "control", to check what happens if we do something different.

But...although no individual storm can ever prove anything, the runaway greenhouse effect caused by carbon dioxide is easy to prove in lab, but nobody knows how much is needed to trigger it. So, we keep producing more greenhouse gases and wait to see whether we wipe out this animal age, and start a new one? Or be over-cautious and try to cut back massively, then maybe find out later that all our pollution affects sea-levels and rain as much as pissing into the Atlantic off a small boat?

I'm for caution - tax away cheap flights and duty on red diesel anybody?

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[billmacfarlane]

The weather on the planet is always changing, always has, and always will. 20,000 years ago we were under an ice sheet, one of the reasons the Industrial Revolution happened was a string of glorious summers created wealth, the Romans grew grapes in Northumberland etc. We just can't get it into our heads that everything on this planet is in constant flux and we have no control over it. Enjoy the good summers when we get them and shrug when we get a stinker. because for the microscopic time we are on this odd little planet it will always be thus. Sorry about that last little bit of philosophy - the Hithchikers Guide to the Galaxy was on R4 last night. Global warming ? I think we're flattering ourselves if we think we can make that much of a difference. A German scientist has just discovered that the sun is burning at its hottest for a long time probably due to sun spot activity which might be one of the various reasons that the climate might be changing.

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[boatmike]

Agreed, but what this proves is what ecologists tell us, which is it's all a delicate balance. There has never been an animal on this planet that had the technology to cause such a gigantic f**k up before mankind. Maybe we are causing it. Maybe not. Maybe it would happen anyway. I know a meteorite is likely to wipe us all out in the end but I don't see that as justification for adding to the problem if we can avoid it.....
If rape is inevitable lay back and enjoy it?


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[halcyon]

Re: The case is proven

There was a bit on TV the other week about underground fires in China, basically coal mines on fire. They produce more greenhouse gas than all the internal combution engines in USA, and they start faster than they can put them out.
What we never seem to see is any figeurs, what does the UK produce in relationship to say USA or China, what effect on it does reducing leisure marine gas emmisions have on the total. Wonder if we all moved into caves, ate berries and wore skins, would there any effect on global warming??.

Brian

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[Ohdrat]

Re: Sales of Deodorant

Oi you accusing me of being smelly? And why not Twisters...???

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[Guest]

One day you\'ll wake up ...

Its all a bad dream ..............


I think ??

Actually summer was a passing glimpse of sun for a couple of days here in Latvia ....... then someone decided to empty the sky's ........ so much for sunny days in Baltic this year .... some old 'fortune teller' was telling the wife .... 2005 will be a fantastic year ...... she didn't say for what though ....



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[RPC]

See the news articles on global warming and tropical storms in the "Specials" section on the following link

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[Mike21]

Re: The case is proven

Global warming is still a theory as they can't prove it.
Remember reading a survey done a few years ago on co2 production and the vast majority was produced by living creatures. If I remeber correctly that if they banned all types of transport, ie planes , trucks, cars etc it would make less than 10% difference
So maybe we should prevent all creatures from reproducing so as not to increase co2 production and maybe get rid off all politicians and scientists as this should substantially reduce co2 output.
Enviromentalists also don't seem to want things like wind farms as their unsightly, spoil peeps sailing, no nuclear power due to risk of radiation, can't have electric cars as this just shifts pollution to else where, etc.
Maybe if we stopped cutting down the rain forests and testing underground nuclear devices maybe we'd see less of a potential problem.

But of course that would stop the scientists and the politicians blaming the masses for all the problems

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