Global Warming prog on Channel4

[tcm]

ah but

i hear from an oilman that the known oil reserves are at an alltime high in terms of "years of known oil left"

altho of course no need to waste it.

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Heads in the sand

I've given up trying to input anything serious into global warming debates, as Lakesailor and others of same ilk turn up and say bolloxs, it's rubbish and govt taxation led, with no facts or figures to support their arguement. They run riot on every thread on the subject and stifle debate. I simply don't bother anymore

 

[Lakesailor]

Re: Heads in the sand

Hang on prat-knack.
You're position appears to be that you are right and I shouldn't voice my opinions because you are right and I am wrong.

And you want me to prove my opinions. Why? It's my opinion.


Others seem to be dispirited because I want to voice my opinions at least as much as they do.

So what is so special about <u>you</u> all?

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Heads in the sand

We don't just say bollox, we try to justify ourselves

 

[jimi]

Re: Heads in the sand

Because you've a childish propensity to reiterate the same old "i'm right and you're wrong" liturgy and have a complete inability to logically fashion a coherent argument. This drowns otherwise fertile debate.

 

[Lakesailor]

Re: Heads in the sand

No. It's not debate. It's mere contradiction.
You all have exactly the same propensity to carry on an unwinable argument. in your case using "facts" gleaned from the internet that you fondly believe are not skewed to provide a required position.
The programme the other night showed how those positions are manipulated, but all you can do is attack the programme maker and his least convincing arguments.

You're like rotweillers, you just won't let go.

I on the other hand have had my fill of the "debate".

Truth will out.

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Heads in the sand

You are basing your opinions on a made for mass market tv programme, not on the scientific opinions of many scientists who are researching the subject then? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Heads in the sand

Just watching the repeat now. It's so trivial as to be beyond belief. They came up with the classic volcanoes produce lots of CO2, without mentioning that volcanoes actually cause cooling due to what they pump into the upper layers of atmosphere, reflecting sunlight. It's incredibly simplistic, and typical of a film maker with no scientific understanding of a complex subject.

 

[Marsupial]

Re: Missed Point?

possibly not that wrong
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Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 1998) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2.]. Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 million tonnes/year)!
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Yes but Gerlach has recently published (2001) that the 1999 research was an underestimate by several orders of magnitude, but does not actually say what the new guess is this time – so where does that leave us? – The boffins admit they don’t know!

Just did a quick bit of research on global gas and oil production – assuming its all 100% carbon (which it isn’t) its hard to find the claimed 22 billion tonnes of the stuff – 17 yes 22 no so the answer is somewhere in-between.

The figures on both sides of the argument do not withstand close scrutiny and all the stats are very selective - I smell huge rodents!

so

How about we all agree that no one really knows and prepare our offspring for a warmer outlook?

 

[Lakesailor]

Re: Missed Point?

Wasting your time because you're not a scientist on the same level as some people here. It seems that we can't read and understand written information.
There is about to be a piece on Newsnight about how the scientists are at loggerheads.
But of course that won't change some people's opinions, or even give them cause to pause for thought.

Heads in the sand indeed.

 

[BrendanS]

Re: Missed Point?

though you argue that a mass market tv production states your case?

and they keep arguing that only CO2 is responsible, as tho that is the sole fact, while the scientific community don't believe that at all.

 

[Marsupial]

Re: Missed Point?

Corr newsnight was good, two blokes getting splinters sitting on the fence! so there it is, global warming is political/religious or what ever you want it to be - it has something for everyone.

 

[Lakesailor]

Re: Missed Point?

Did you watch the Ch4 programme? They said CO2 is <u>not</u> responsible.

I thought you were strong on facts?

Ayway. It's tedious. This is just gainsaying.

 

[alant]

Re: Missed Point?

Having watched the replay of the programme tonight, I'm convinced the whole thing is down to Lord Lawson of Baldby.

His version of the politics involved came across well. I'd probably have stayed awake longer if his lovely daughter had been delivering it.

From the facts delivered, historical icecore data, sunspot activity, skating on the Thames, troposphere temperatures (or lack of), CO2(total) = 0.054% of Earths atmosphere, there was, if these facts can be substantiated, a compelling argument that mankind are not to blame. The political arena - unemployed leftist groups looking for another avenue to bring down capitalism, in conjunction with Thatcher + global warming industry + Al Gore + Greenpeace founder, making a cast of thousands in this pantomime.

This needs to be well argued on another stage, but with all the conspiracists, which scientists are to be believed or trusted?

 

[whipper_snapper]

Re: Missed Point?

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...[snip]......... CO2(total) = 0.054% of Earths atmosphere, there was, if these facts can be substantiated, a compelling argument that mankind are not to blame.

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Huh?!

You mean it's such a tiny ammount that it can't be of any significance?????

Go drink a solution of 0.054% arsenic and see how significant that is.

 

[[3889]]

Re: Missed Point?

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How about we all agree that no one really knows and prepare our offspring for a warmer outlook?

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Wholeheartedly agree. Even accepting man made GW,there is no evidence to support an overall deterioration of conditions for life on earth. Where is the biosphere most abundant - in cold climes or the tropics?

 

[DavenHelen]

Re: Missed Point?

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Go drink a solution of 0.054% arsenic and see how significant that is.

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Or even 0.054% alcohol and see how significant that is.

That was not a good argument. It all depends on the ingredients.

Dave

 

[boatmike]

Re: Heads in the sand

Yes Brendon but you still bite when you get "Lakesailored" don't you? I think he is a self opinionated low brain with his head stuck up his bottom, but I am far to polite to say so! Sod em all..... lets go sailing! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[whipper_snapper]

Re: Missed Point?

[ QUOTE ]
That was not a good argument. It all depends on the ingredients

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Ummm. Yes. That was rather the point.

 

[jimi]

Re: Heads in the sand

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Yes Brendon but you still bite when you get "Lakesailored" don't you? I think he is a self opinionated low brain with his head stuck up his bottom, but I am far to polite to say so! Sod em all..... lets go sailing! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Agree completely Mike. I've got Lakesailor on ignore this user now, its something I've been considering for some time as many of his pics are not work or family friendly anyway, he ain't got a clue about sailing and can't distinguish between exchange of information, debate and childish playground"I'm right you're wrong!" exchanges. Good riddance!