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[deputydawg]

Hi chaps, been looking to get a bit bigger boat than my present 19ft sports cuddyand am fancying the regal ,searay 25 footers which mostly have the 5 litre V8,s someone my misses works with is selling a Glastron with a AD31P Deisel,yes I know the diesels better on the wallet but considering its 150 horsepower seems it,s a tad under powered , I know they produce there power in a diferent way and its all about torque, please tell me there boring gutless and wont come to plane when fully loaded, I WANT A V8!! misses says its penis envy is she trying to tell me something, or am I just misguided!!

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[ballena]

Go for the V8, you know you want it, need it, must have it!!!

Call me biased, but I have a nice Four Winns 238 Vista for sale, with V8 Volvo.

PM me if interested.

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[duncan]

you would appear to know in your heart of hearts that the diesel makes sense.
You will re live that pleasure every time you fill lup, see someone fillng a boat from cans, hear a conversation about the price of petrol or boating, get asked your boats range or even just pop down the coast and back and wonder how much fuel you used 'cos the gauge hasn't moved.
On the extremely odd occasion when you regret it - watching and listening to a V8 leave the anchorage after a super day afloat you just have to open another bottle of chilled champagne and relax..........

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[Renegade_Master]

Sounds like a cue for our resident Glastron man now who can that be?

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[jon_bailey]

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This might be of interest.

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[andrewa]

Hi biased

I can trump that, got my Sea Ray 270 for sale with the real mans V8, the 7.4 now thats a V8 (apart from the 454 Magnums of course)

Good luck with the business venture

 

[jfm]

You gut is right imho. 150hp aint enuf in that size boat.

BTW all this talk about torque and diesels "producing power a different way" is the invention of motoring journalists who dont understand the laws of physics and somehow think torque is "pulling power" and tows caravans and garbage like that. The thing that makes your boat (or car) fast is power not torque. Torque has some relevance to ease of driving but that's it. Putting it in real numbers, a boat (or car) with a 300hp engine that produces say 300 lbs feet torque will always go faster than one with a 200hp engine that produces 450 lbs feet of torque.

So yep, you need V8

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[BrendanS]

Regals and Searays are both good see going boats, but diesels of that rating are not going to make the best of the huill, and you'll be very disappointed,


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[BrendanS]

Regals and Searays are both good sea going boats, but diesels of that rating are not going to make the best of the huill, and you'll be very disappointed,


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[jhr]

Personally, I think you need the V8; not enough power from the diesel imho, as others have said.

More to the point, Regal and Sea Ray are in a different class to Glastron in terms of seaworthiness. OK, OK, I'm a Sea Ray owner and it's all very well to be snooty about US "Lake Boats", but I reckon you will notice the difference in any kind of a sea. So, from a tactical point of view I suggest that you take the line, with SWMBO, that it would be lovely to have a diesel, but not in a Glastron: I'd be worried about taking you out in case we got caught by the weather, dear, I'm only thinking of you, etc. etc.

I must admit, I've never thought of a V8 Petrol as a penis substitute. Quiet - yes; smooth - yes; thirsty - yes. But a fake willy? Nah!

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[Nautorius]

Hi,

Another boat to consider is the Chaparral 240/260 Signature. The cabin is quite small (Still sleeps 4) but the cockpit is a great user-friendly design (Similar to Sea Ray 240 Sundancer.) The quality and hull is excellent and with a 5.0ltr it flys!

I can definitely recommend a Regal as well. I have had mine 3 months and the quality and ergonomics are fantastic. It is really well thought through. The fastrac hull is great and seems to helps with berthing as well. I have a Sealine S28 next to me (Same size) and mine berths far easier.

The Glastron is a great 'Value' boat. You may however have wished you had gone for better quality, but you get a lot of boat for the money. Do not bother with a Diesel at that size. V8s Rule and at 25ft it should be a Sports Cruiser not a River cruiser!

Good luck with your search!

Cheers N.

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[Solitaire]

A question; where do you do most of your boating at the moment and what do you do? By that I mean tow toys, a lot of watersking or just cruise. To answer your question more fully it would be helpful to have more than you've given. The question as to should it be a Galstron is another issue. I have just put a 150 hp Yamaha Desel in my Fairline Sprint. I chaged from a V8 5.7 petrol. The diesel is giving me a top wack of 32 knots with comfortable cruising of 25knots. It's better tahn the petrol. The Sprint is roughly the same (water) length as the Galstron 21ft vs 22ft and the Sprint is heavier.

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[martynwhiteley]

Well said David!

It's about time all these petrol hugging V8 fans came into the 21st century.

Perhaps the only diesel car they ever drove was a 1982 Montego!

With the likes of your Yamaha, the Merc D120, and now the 5 cyl Volvo D3's, diesel IS a real alternative for sportsboats.

If anyone cares to search the web and look for articles on the baby Merc diesel, they'll find that in every example, the 120hp diesel merc OUTPERFORMS the 145hp petrol equivalent, and takes sub 20ft sports boats to over 40 mph.

All the above talk about torque being irrelevant is seemingly nonsense. For some reason, equivalent power rated diesels ALWAYS outperform the petrols WHY?, but does it matter, just enjoy the diesel and save buckets. Not to mention not having to worry about wet electrics or 50 gal of leaking petrol in the bilge!

150hp in a light 25ft lake boat, must top 30 mph, and get on the plane much quicker than 200 hp petrols.

I wouln't argue against petrol being the better choice for most trailable sports boats, but people who dismiss the diesel option too quickly have no idea just how good the new small, all alloy turbo diesels are.

The torque is much more of an issue in boating, and any comparisons with motoring is silly. Most boats dont have multi-ratio gearboxes, thus need a very broad power spread through the rev range, this is where diesel scores.

If cars could only have one forward gear, they would ALL be diesel. Petrols only really perform when they are in the top 20% of the rev range, this often prevents petrol boats getting on the plane, because they are always over prop'd at 50% revs.

I know if mine just had the one 120hp petrol, no way would it do 20 knots, and no way would it even get on the plane.

Get real you petrol heads!

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[BarryD]

If you want a v8 then get one, they sound better. If it's crippling the wallet then sell it later - someone will buy it (you did) and you should balance the books. It's everyones right to buy the silliest biggest stonking engine they think they can afford be it in a car or a boat - before the head over rules the heart.

It's not fair all these boats for sale and me with redundany looming....

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[Solitaire]

Trouble is Martyn, non of these guys have expereienced what we have/forums/images/icons/smile.gif The new generation of diesels give just as much power and in my case the handling has improved dramatically. The guys who put my engine in are doing a Searay 25 next with a Yamaha 4.2 . This will push the top wack to around 40 knots. Thats enough for most I'd say!

I know two people who have the Yamar 4 cylinder 240 in their 25 footers - easily achieve 35+knots in the right conditions. Talk to them about going back to petrol and just guess what they will say. I think the adage applies "Don't knock it untill you've tried it" applies. I was out the other week on a Monterey 245 with a Merc 350 Magnum - how now the fuel bill! But the guy will only likley use the boat twice a month at the most in the summer.If you don't use the boat that much then you may argue that the extra cost of a diesel is not worth it. You can get the same boat with the 240 Yanmar - I know which one I'd have.

I've done nearly 60 hours and 700 nm's since I relaunched at the end of August, that's more than a lot of boats do in a year, so in my circumstances diesel is a much better option. The other thing that no one else has mentioned is the increased range offered by using diesel.Yep, we may not win the top end stakes, but we'll get there with far less refills, safer and with greater relaibility. Not quite hare and the tortoise, but you know what I mean/forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[MedDreamer]

Yawn!!!!

I never knew the road to Damascus started just south of the Humber Bridge

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[jfm]

Solitaire moves the goalposts

woooah!. He said the diesel available was 150hp. I HAVE experienced this in a 25footer, you just get in one with 300hp and open the throttle about half way. You are now talking 240hp. I agree, a 240hp in 25 footer is good. No-one was knoking that. We were knocking a 150. Surely you agree that a 150 motor (burning anything....) in a 25 footer aint exactly a white knuckle ride?

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[Solitaire]

Re: Solitaire moves the goalposts

JFM - I'm only comparing the Glastron in terms of the 150 hp. The water line length is pretty much the same as my Sprint and its lighter. In terms of comparing 240 etc that was really only in response to an overall view of "small" diesels. I would still be interested in knowing what kind of boating the guy does.

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[duncan]

Re: Solitaire moves the goalposts

white knuckle ride - nope
appropriate cruise 20+knots and decent top at 27 - yep
tow toys ok - yep
race jetskis - nope
weekender capable of playing at sports boat - debatable; watching various craft over the summer run out to Studland and Swanage from Poole very few run faster than around 23 knots in normal conditions - and that can seem zippy on a small sports boat so that's OK.
As Solitaire ask's - what are the priorities? If you want the sports boat then get a decent engine (at least 250hp in that and preferably more) but if money is any sort of issue then accept that you will not spend much time in the boat at speed - open throttle is £100 per hour +

I had a 21 with a 175 OB and now have a 25 with the Yanmar. I spent most of my time in the smaller boat at around 20-25knots and only opened it up to surprise jetskis. I currently spend less than 1% of my time over 24 knots but do over 200 engine hours a year at an average of around 2.5 gph (includes time at 6 knots in Poole Harbour), travel to a lot of nice sopts within around 20miles and get through a hell of a lot of disposable BBQs whilst having fun! A lot of friends just won't run the 20 miles to Lulworth or Alum Bay because they don't want to spend £70 in fuel every trip - which is a shame when you consider the total costs of boating they are spending.

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[martynwhiteley]

Re: Solitaire moves the goalposts

Ah, the sense just keeps on coming. Your last sentance sums it all up nicely!

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