Getting POB back on the boat.

Net ?

Interesting idea. What sort of net?

My boat is sturdy and faithful but pretty slow, more of a Land Rover than a Lexus. Do you really think the laminar flow would be disrupted sufficiently to be noticed?
 
Re: Mast steps bolted to rudder

a transat sailor ran a long long thin floating line out the stern and apparently used it when he fell overboard.

I am suprised at some of these comments! It is quite feasible to rig a foldout ladder so that it could be released whilst in the water.
 
Tried a practice recovery in Osbourne bay this summer.
At anchor, hot & no wind.
Crew member volunteered - small female.
Put on lifejacket, orally inflated it, tied on safety line & crew member went over the side.
Tried out all the usual recovery methods - main halyard attached to her harness, block 'n' tackle rigged to boom, etc
All of these proved difficult, took lots of time, even in 'perfect' conditions when we were prepared for it.

Casualty - when she eventually got back on board, she was extremely emotional & suffering from shock.
One of the problems she said she faced, was attaching a thrown line around her body. Because of the inflated lifejacket, she could not see her waist or the line, so was doing it 'blind'.
When demonstrating tying a bowline with students, I get them to pass the rope around their waist, then make a bowline as a 'safety line'. This method she had practiced & used during this trial PoB.

So it isn't easy!
 
Re: Net ?

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Scrambling-net: rope, 6''square mesh, weighted at the bottom.
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Yes I do. It is when the foil, in this case the rudder, is having to work hard (i.e. when you are most needing it!) that lumps most seriously cause break-away of laminar flow. 'stalling' i.e. loss of lift.
There are some good books on this sort of thing: Marchaj 'The aero-hydrodynamics of sailing' for one. It's a long time since I read it, but some of the essentials have stuck:I think!
I also recall my surveyor saying that a boat's most important piece of safety equipment is its rudder; that it should be well maintained and not altered without expert knowledge.
But it is up to you to assess the risks associated with loss of control in the sailing you do.
 
Re: Net ? & Rudder

Just realised my last post was worse than 'Thread-Drift'; a sharp turn.
Apologies to all.
However, It raises a question; When the topic raises a direct, and not irrelevant, question, what is the customary/recommended way forward? Post that you are answering on a new thread?
Serious enquiry!
 
Whatever the situation sods law prevails that it isn't what you rehearsed for so apply a practised emergency plan and adapt according to the situation.

Agreed, it can take a while, even in the best conditions it is very difficault tying a safety line and a one handed bowline in the water whilst wearing a life jacket , differnt to dry land practise, I know, I have learnt to do it.

Because it can take a while, a concious casualty that has been in the water for approx. 15 minutes may be better off remaining in the water for a few more minutes while a seated/horizontal lift is organised, rather than risking a vertical lift which can cause hydrostatic pull (in very basic lamens terms, if a casualty is lifted vertically, gravity & pressure squeezes vessels and forces blood away from the major organs, in particualr, the heart) which can be fatal.

If that doesn't get them crew need to be aware of 'post rescue collapse'. In the past during maritime disasters many people were rescued alive but out of say, 400 survivors, only a handfull survived due to lack of awareness regarding post rescue collapse.


If these factors are not considered when applying 'any' MOB proceedure what is the point of rescue if the very act of doing
it could kill them?

Therefore, 'dont fall overboard', Infact, dont leave the House wear out the upholstery on your sofa instead, now, regarding treatment of bed sores and friction burns ........ /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Therefore, 'dont fall overboard'

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Entirely agree

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Now you've lost it entirely.

First line of defence has to be preventing the person from falling overboard. As well as considering how to get a POB back on board, think about how you are going to prevent the situation from arising:

Harnesses - yes, but what are you going to attach them to? The standard jackstay lying in the scuppers isn't going to prevent them going over the side - its just going to tow them along (and possibly drown them). Attachment points should be sufficiantly far inboard that harness / lifeline won't let the wearer enter the water.

The attachment points must be strong enough to withstand a soaking wet 16 stone crew being thrown to the end of their lifeline - big backing pads behind a solid piece of boat.

Remove / mask tripping hazards on sidedecks & foredeck.

Minimise trips out of the cockpit in rough weather.

Don't pee over the side from the cockpit - either use a bucket, or go forward & use the shrouds as supports.
 
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You cast aspersions on my character!, Twas a light hearted end to a serious subject /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif , my contribution only intended to relate to the 'First Aid' side of things, I did not want to add to the discussion my own thoughts on prevention nor the lifting out of, which in this instance I was treating as a 'given' as I felt I would would have been over egging my pudding somewhat to do so! If you check my bio you will see I have a 'Safety (safety-ish, this girls gotta live a little /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)background and am quite capable of contributing if I wanted to.

Putting that aside I agree with your comments apart from peeing in a bucket on deck which may be alright for You blokies but I prefer the privacy of the companion way...lols /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif .
 
No desire to cast anything on your character. If I have offended, I apologise – that was not my intent.

The close juxtaposition of your lighthearted ending with a serious point threw me. I read your comment as implying that avoiding falling overboard was for wimps.

Glad to see that, despite communication, we are basically in agreement. Understand your point about the bucket - must admit, I tend to use it when singlehanded.
 
I was a little harsh , just sticking up for myself as it can get a bit 'Lord of the Flies' around these parts.
Friends again /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Re MOB I have now seen the best recovery, possibly ever! Film, Dead Calm, Nicole Kidman rescues her Man, under sail, scooping him up with one grab of the hand excellent! just a shame it wouldn't work in real life, that is , unless someone can confirm to the contrary?
 
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